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Posted: **Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:25 pm**

I apologized if for no other reason than to clarify that I had the whole thing bass ackward. Your points are well taken. Sensitivity is the crux of all science.

Posted: **Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:32 pm**

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:06 am
Logic wrote:
When does one stop being human exactly
All homo sapiens are human beings by definition and they have existed for at least I00 000 years
So the genetic differences between various ethnicities is irrelevant because they are all human

Yes, but at what point does a human stop being human when one’s human parts are gradually replaced by such things as artificial knees, artificial hips, artificial cochleae and the like?

Posted: **Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:35 pm**

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:14 pm
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:02 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:40 pm OK then. Fuck off.
So you admit that you cannot convince us that you are:
1. Human
2. Conscious
3. Sentient

You could have just told us that you are a robot...
Are you really that simple that you think I could not prove I am human?

Can you prove that you have an 'us'?

I am precisely that simple. How can you prove that you are human?

Posted: **Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:44 pm**

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:32 pm Yes, but at what point does a human stop being human when one’s human parts are gradually replaced by such things as artificial knees, artificial hips, artificial cochleae and the like?

Those parts are replicants of the designed parts.

When the bionics start redesigning the designed form, like that sprinter with the titanium flippers for legs, and by all accounts an evil temper, then you're veering towards the end of human life as we know it.

Some ancient Greeks and Romans saw the designed human form in stone, then chiseled away everything that wasn’t part of it.

Posted: **Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:50 pm**

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:44 pm Those parts are replicants of the designed parts.

When the bionics start redesigning the designed form, like that sprinter with the titanium flippers for legs, and by all accounts an evil temper, then you're veering towards the end of human life as we know it.

Some ancient Greeks and Romans saw the designed human form in stone, then chiseled away everything that wasn’t part of it.

You don't know the answer to such things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

Posted: **Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:03 pm**

Life as we know it did not always include modern medicine, or bionics.

The rest is simple logic.

No need for the pretense of evasive links.

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:03 am**

commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:35 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:14 pm
Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:02 pm
So you admit that you cannot convince us that you are:
1. Human
2. Conscious
3. Sentient

You could have just told us that you are a robot...
Are you really that simple that you think I could not prove I am human?

Can you prove that you have an 'us'?
I am precisely that simple. How can you prove that you are human?

It could start with me saying something like "No officer, I can not be charged with a crime as I am not human."
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take long for the powers that be to prove I am human.

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:41 am**

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:03 am It could start with me saying something like "No officer, I can not be charged with a crime as I am not human."
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take long for the powers that be to prove I am human.

Officer Friendly program needed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt9baswHZpM
(violence)

Funny guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QAHzu_kAc
(language)

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:08 pm**

The voice-menu robot is trained to waste your time for the profit of the corporation, or for the budget of the government agency.

If you allow it, it will ask questions all day long, gathering info not related to your problem.

It's up to you to say how many questions are necessary.

Touch O, for human.

Touch it lightly, or like the remote control that tunes in the daily news on TV, you may be replacing it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:02 pm**

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:03 am
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:35 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:14 pm
Are you really that simple that you think I could not prove I am human?

Can you prove that you have an 'us'?
I am precisely that simple. How can you prove that you are human?
It could start with me saying something like "No officer, I can not be charged with a crime as I am not human."
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take long for the powers that be to prove I am human.

I’m just saying, a robot could say the same thing.

I once knew a robot who could say, “my chest hurts”, “I think I’m going to faint” and “uhhhh”. If he could say those things, he probably could say many more. In fact, when I last saw him, he could say 22 more things, in appropriate circumstances.

He had arteries and veins, flesh that you could cut into and all the internal organs. He could bleed on you, pee on you, throw up on you and even fart or burp. He could breathe and sigh, his heart could race or stop.

My point is that the powers that be would not be able to distinguish my friend from an actual human. They could treat him like a robot, or treat you like a human, but they could not be sure which was which.

The reactions of the powers that be, or anyone else, to a human or robot doesn’t prove who is human and who is not. They just can’t know it for sure.

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:14 pm**

commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:02 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:03 am
commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:35 pm

I am precisely that simple. How can you prove that you are human?
It could start with me saying something like "No officer, I can not be charged with a crime as I am not human."
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take long for the powers that be to prove I am human.
I’m just saying, a robot could say the same thing.

I once knew a robot who could say, “my chest hurts”, “I think I’m going to faint” and “uhhhh”. If he could say those things, he probably could say many more. In fact, when I last saw him, he could say 22 more things, in appropriate circumstances.

He had arteries and veins, flesh that you could cut into and all the internal organs. He could bleed on you, pee on you, throw up on you and even fart or burp. He could breathe and sigh, his heart could race or stop.

My point is that the powers that be would not be able to distinguish my friend from an actual human. They could treat him like a robot, or treat you like a human, but they could not be sure which was which.

The reactions of the powers that be, or anyone else, to a human or robot doesn’t prove who is human and who is not. They just can’t know it for sure.

But that's just because you're being a twat. Or, am I missing something?

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:42 pm**

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:14 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:02 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:03 am

It could start with me saying something like "No officer, I can not be charged with a crime as I am not human."
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take long for the powers that be to prove I am human.
I’m just saying, a robot could say the same thing.

I once knew a robot who could say, “my chest hurts”, “I think I’m going to faint” and “uhhhh”. If he could say those things, he probably could say many more. In fact, when I last saw him, he could say 22 more things, in appropriate circumstances.

He had arteries and veins, flesh that you could cut into and all the internal organs. He could bleed on you, pee on you, throw up on you and even fart or burp. He could breathe and sigh, his heart could race or stop.

My point is that the powers that be would not be able to distinguish my friend from an actual human. They could treat him like a robot, or treat you like a human, but they could not be sure which was which.

The reactions of the powers that be, or anyone else, to a human or robot doesn’t prove who is human and who is not. They just can’t know it for sure.
But that's just because you're being a twat. Or, am I missing something?

You’re a bigger twat than I am, you twatty twat!

You are missing the problem of other minds. Solve it and I will cede this entire argument to you, you twatty twatter, you.

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:52 pm**

commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:42 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:14 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:02 pm

I’m just saying, a robot could say the same thing.

I once knew a robot who could say, “my chest hurts”, “I think I’m going to faint” and “uhhhh”. If he could say those things, he probably could say many more. In fact, when I last saw him, he could say 22 more things, in appropriate circumstances.

He had arteries and veins, flesh that you could cut into and all the internal organs. He could bleed on you, pee on you, throw up on you and even fart or burp. He could breathe and sigh, his heart could race or stop.

My point is that the powers that be would not be able to distinguish my friend from an actual human. They could treat him like a robot, or treat you like a human, but they could not be sure which was which.

The reactions of the powers that be, or anyone else, to a human or robot doesn’t prove who is human and who is not. They just can’t know it for sure.
But that's just because you're being a twat. Or, am I missing something?
You’re a bigger twat than I am, you twatty twat!

You are missing the problem of other minds. Solve it and I will cede this entire argument to you, you twatty twatter, you.

That was what I was digging for idiot. You are not asking about the matter of fact, you are asking about the consiousness.

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:56 pm**

I’m just saying, a robot could say the same thing.

You concluded that I said this because there is a causal relation between female anatomy and the statement???

Posted: **Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:25 pm**

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:52 pm
commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:42 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:14 pm

But that's just because you're being a twat. Or, am I missing something?
You’re a bigger twat than I am, you twatty twat!

You are missing the problem of other minds. Solve it and I will cede this entire argument to you, you twatty twatter, you.
That was what I was digging for idiot. You are not asking about the matter of fact, you are asking about the consiousness.

So how do you prove your matter? That’s what I asked. You said that robots do not have consciousness. If that is your proof of the difference between humans and robots, then prove that robots do not have consciousness (since that is the basis of your claim that you can prove that you are human).

Resorting to vulgarity is a sign of frustration. I’d wager that you are frustrated because you cannot show how you know your matter is a fact.

And don’t appeal to empirical evidence unless you can observe consciousness (again, your anchor of proof).

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