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Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:55 am You will never, ever understand what someone like Feynman meant

And that's why I can re-derive most of physics/Mathematics/computer science from first principles and use the equations to create artificial brains.

But maybe I misunderstood Feynman anyway.

Atla wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:55 am Shoo, retard

Shoo indeed.

Atla wrote: Everything is bullshit that doesn't fit into your mainstream 2-digit IQ worldview

You don't think that with all the excavated tombs we wouldn't have found at least one or two pieces of evidence for your claims. Don't tell me, they've all been stolen and hoarded by the illuminati.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:25 am You don't think that with all the excavated tombs we wouldn't have found at least one or two pieces of evidence for your claims. Don't tell me, they've all been stolen and hoarded by the illuminati.

The pyramids are marvels of astronomy and structural engineering.

There are "ventilation shafts" which span the depth of some pyramids which are perfectly aligned with the positions of certain stars etc.
That's a degree of precision worthy of recognition.

That they had knowledge of the world is not disputable and that knowledge is partially encoded all over the pyramids. What they USED that knowledge for is not terribly obvious. And it is most definitely not obvious what they used "control over electromagnetism" for, even if they were aware of it. Never mind whether any of it has any practical application in 2019.

Kinda like Tesla coils. We have them, but they have almost zero practical value. So we use them as desk decorations e.g plasma balls or WOW-factor in high school physics experiments.

Well I don't disagree with much of that and I certainly agree that the woo woo brigade do a massive diservice to the ingenuity and engineering skills of the ancients. Personally, with respect to the pupose of the pyramids, I think many ignore the social and political aspects of building such structures(ignoring of course the hubris of the pharaohs). Egypt's economy and agriculture was heavily influenced by the seasonal flooding of the Nile and as such for much of the year there would have been bugger all for the populace to do, that can breed discontent and revolution, idle hands and all that, what better way to occupy those hands than building until the next growing season and ensuring the dynasty survives? This ties nicely with evidence that the pharaohs also implemented stockpiling by taxing a percent of produce, state tithes effectively, which they could use to feed and pay the workers with during the down times.
I think the woo woo brigade are guilty of cultural arrogance or blinkers when looking at the achievements of the ancients, "Look at these things! How on earth did they do this when comparatively they were technologically inferior to us?" Hence, 'spacemen' helped them, they had magical lifting devices powered by long-forgotten 'science', etc, etc. all ignoring actual Engineering and its relation to technology and materials at the time. If your material is stone and your craftsman who have developed their skills and knowledge over a long period of time(thanks to a stable society note) and you want to build bigger stone structures then the pyramid is an obvious structure. Now you could build cubes if you want but you get load-bearing problems whereas a pyramids top structures get progressively lighter(comparatively). This probably explains why the pyramid structure occurred across many cultures at the same technological level with the same materials at hand. Not as some loons think due to some long-lost world culture that mysteriously communicated with each other over comparatively vast distances with long forgotten 'sciences'.
I'm not arguing that religious factors did not come into the building of the pyramids, alignment to stars, etc but that due to a cultural arrogance we ignore simpler explanations for their creation and existence and do their creators a disservice by ignoring the actual practical achievements of the ancients when it comes to social and political governance and their engineering skills, the woo woo brigade ignore the magnificence of human ingenuity.
p.s.
I also think many should stop paying attention to mad German archaeologists.
p.p.s
How were they built - take a look at Jean-Pierre Houdin's idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEBfPWyQ4dU

Stone age megaliths are another popular woo woo pastime.
Here's an American I admire, Wally Wallington.
"Give me a lever and a place to stand and I will move the earth." - Archimedes.
https://highexistence.com/videos/view/b ... -anything/

God bless builders, architects and engineers.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:25 am

Atla wrote: Everything is bullshit that doesn't fit into your mainstream 2-digit IQ worldview

You don't think that with all the excavated tombs we wouldn't have found at least one or two pieces of evidence for your claims. Don't tell me, they've all been stolen and hoarded by the illuminati.

I was talking about the great pyramids actually. I don't think anyone stole them.

Atla wrote:I was talking about the great pyramids actually. I don't think anyone stole them.

My apologies. What electromagnetic knowledge do you think they built into the pyramids?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:28 pm

Atla wrote:I was talking about the great pyramids actually. I don't think anyone stole them.

My apologies. What electromagnetic knowledge do you think they built into the pyramids?

I don't know, I can only guess. To me it seems that they may have harnessed the electromagnetism generated by the underground water channels. The pyramid may be used to collect and channel such electromagnetism upwards towards some stars, like the constellation Orion. I think they and the Indus Valley civ saw electromagnetism as this mysterious invisible force that may be all-permeating and is stronger in certain places.

Maybe they built these structures so they could connect with the sky, or maybe travel to the sky, where their gods were. Of course today we know that building such structures is pretty pointless.

Atla wrote:I don't know, I can only guess. To me it seems that they may have harnessed the electromagnetism generated by the underground water channels. ...

What underground water channels?

The pyramid may be used to collect and channel such electromagnetism upwards towards some stars, like the constellation Orion. I think they and the Indus Valley civ saw electromagnetism as this mysterious invisible force that may be all-permeating and is stronger in certain places. ...

Where is the evidence that they used electromagnetism in any major way at all?

Maybe they built these structures so they could connect with the sky, or maybe travel to the sky, where their gods were. Of course today we know that building such structures is pretty pointless.

But we don't, apart from hubris there are in fact very good social and political reasons for a dynastic empire to build such things, see my post above.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:18 amWhat underground water channels?

The aquifer of the Nile.

Where is the evidence that they used electromagnetism in any major way at all?

The pyramids are the evidence.

But we don't, apart from hubris there are in fact very good social and political reasons for a dynastic empire to build such things, see my post above.

I don't think there are. The great pyramids are just way too big to be justified, and why are they pretty much devoid of hieroglyphs then, if their main purpose is social/political.

Atla wrote:The aquifer of the Nile. ...

And they'd produce electromagnetic energy how?

The pyramids are the evidence. ...

In what sense?

I don't think there are. The great pyramids are just way too big to be justified, and why are they pretty much devoid of hieroglyphs then, if their main purpose is social/political.

It's the building of them that is the social and political purpose. As to the "way too big to be justified" just think the hubris of Pharaohs and Dynasties to have bigger and better tombs and that they just could. As to the hieroglyphs, well we have no idea I guess if there were or weren't as the facing stones have all been destroyed, nicked and reused. Maybe it was just aesthetics in these cases as there are hieroglyphs on other smaller pyramids and burial mounds in Egypt.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:41 am

Atla wrote:The aquifer of the Nile. ...

And they'd produce electromagnetic energy how?

The pyramids are the evidence. ...

In what sense?

I guess as the ground water is moving northwards or as the ground water level simply increases/decreases with the Nile floods, electromagnetism is generated due to friction. Maybe also ionizing the air in the shafts beneath the pyramid. The walls of the shafts are made of granite etc, doesn't seem to be coincidence. Well I guess we won't know if this thing worked at all since the pyramids aren't insulated now. (But the Egyptian acoustic chambers seem to work to this day, again showing that they knew what they were doing.)

It's the building of them that is the social and political purpose. As to the "way too big to be justified" just think the hubris of Pharaohs and Dynasties to have bigger and better tombs and that they just could. As to the hieroglyphs, well we have no idea I guess if there were or weren't as the facing stones have all been destroyed, nicked and reused. Maybe it was just aesthetics in these cases as there are hieroglyphs on other smaller pyramids and burial mounds in Egypt.

What purpose is there in making so many people work themselves to death for no good reason? The great pyramids don't look like tombs and their size is just way out of place (and why would 1 pharaoh need 3 tombs). The pharaohs were believed to be gods but I don't think they were this insane, if they were they would have erected more such huge pyramids in the following 2000 years or maybe be overthrown. Also, you can't just remove the facing stones inside the pyramid.

Atla wrote:I guess as the ground water is moving northwards ...

Does it move northwards? I thought groundwater moves according to pressure differentials and as such move any which way.

or as the ground water level simply increases/decreases with the Nile floods, electromagnetism is generated due to friction. ...

Groundwater moves extremely slowly so I doubt it pops up and down as you suggest nor that its movement would be enough to produce the effects you wish.

Maybe also ionizing the air in the shafts beneath the pyramid. The walls of the shafts are made of granite etc, doesn't seem to be coincidence. ...

I thought the shafts walls were made of limestone?

Well I guess we won't know if this thing worked at all since the pyramids aren't insulated now. (But the Egyptian acoustic chambers seem to work to this day, again showing that they knew what they were doing.)

I certainly agree that they knew what they were doing but doubt they were doing what you think they were.

What purpose is there in making so many people work themselves to death for no good reason? ...

You've been watching too many Hollywood movies, the workforce were well fed by all archaeological accounts. Did you not bother to read my post, one purpose, apart from the hubris of Kings, would be to occupy a large chunk of the population during the down times in their agricultural cycle, idle hands make for sedition.

The great pyramids don't look like tombs and their size is just way out of place (and why would 1 pharaoh need 3 tombs). ...

He didn't, each pyramid was built by a different pharaoh as their tomb. They look like exactly what would be produced over time from the earlier burial tombs due to advances in construction methods.

The pharaohs were believed to be gods but I don't think they were this insane, if they were they would have erected more such huge pyramids in the following 2000 years or maybe be overthrown. ...

Or maybe their civilization was in decline and the Great pyramid was built at its peak and given the lesser ones were built afterwards and were smaller this seems to be a good explanation.

Also, you can't just remove the facing stones inside the pyramid.

What facing stones inside the pyramids? The facing stones were on the outside and apparently much of them came down during a ground slippage and the rest were removed by the Sultans to build their mosques and palaces.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:04 amDoes it move northwards? I thought groundwater moves according to pressure differentials and as such move any which way.

Groundwater moves extremely slowly so I doubt it pops up and down as you suggest nor that its movement would be enough to produce the effects you wish.

Well maybe not necessarily North, but I keep finding information about all kinds of underground water shafts under the Giza plateau. Many other pyramids around the world were also built above underground water.

I thought the shafts walls were made of limestone?

Yeah okay, I confused it with the granite plugs.

You've been watching too many Hollywood movies, the workforce were well fed by all archaeological accounts. Did you not bother to read my post, one purpose, apart from the hubris of Kings, would be to occupy a large chunk of the population during the down times in their agricultural cycle, idle hands make for sedition.

I think having to work so hard for one pharaoh's hubris would make for sedition more, unless there were even higher causes involved. I know that they were well fed and organized, it wasn't slave-labour.

He didn't, each pyramid was built by a different pharaoh as their tomb. They look like exactly what would be produced over time from the earlier burial tombs due to advances in construction methods.

Yes

Or maybe their civilization was in decline and the Great pyramid was built at its peak and given the lesser ones were built afterwards and were smaller this seems to be a good explanation.

Well they seemed to have peaked during the Old Kingdom and regressed / lost technology afterwards. But still they could have gone for sheer size during those 2000 years I think.

What facing stones inside the pyramids? The facing stones were on the outside and apparently much of them came down during a ground slippage and the rest were removed by the Sultans to build their mosques and palaces.

I mean there are no hieroglyphs inside the great pyramids, which I find highly unusual for primarily tombs/social/political buildings. Yes they may have been used as tombs as well, but that was a secondary function I think.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:02 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:Good, then debunk the physics model and the Russian studies.

What physics model? Which Russian studies? You haven't posted a single link yet?

It is simple, you claim "truth"...but your country and people are dying. Your "philosophy" is dying. You represent nothing of value. You are not even a skeptic...just a nihilist.

What? What? Seriously, what are you babbling on about?

https://www.businessinsider.com/facts-n ... y-4-1776-1
https://www.rd.com/health/wellness/heal ... nger-true/
https://list25.com/25-science-facts-tha ... ven-wrong/
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/fi ... ence/2705/ ...

You are officially barking mad!

Add the dichotomy of Newtonian and Einstein's interpretations of physics, ...

What 'dichotomy'? Do you even understand what the word means? Newton's theory and Einstein's theory display exactly the localisation in 'science' that I mentioned. You think we use Einstein to lob artillery shells?

numbers not being defined by mathematicians,...

What are you talking about?

etc. as strictly "classification" and we are left "science is just classification"...that is it. Cutting out one phenomenon and connecting it to another. ...

What are you talking about?

Because of its probabilistic nature, ...

Because of what's "probabilistic nature"?

and the infinite hypothesis that result in science...effectively we are left with "all" being true at one time or another under a specific context. ...

What? What are you babbling about? Are you talking about the over-determination of theories?

angle some copper at 36 degree up top, create intersecting angles that stand up, and see if the dowsing rods (from the same copper or another material) move towards them or not...cross over them or not. Or just walk around and see if the rod's repeatedly cross in random areas.

Ok. Will get back to you. Which kind of dowsing-rod are you using?

Will you be doing this experiment in a double-blind test, i.e. put your pyramid under a cover along with a whole bunch of covers that don't contain a pyramid and see if you can get them to cross on the correct one?
p.s
Here you go, try this.
Double blind dowsing test

I looked through the thread response, then looked at the first question.

Besides the standard "you are babbling", etc. the first question what "what russian pyramid studies":

I said google it, if I have not posted stuff up already.

Here I will google it for you:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=russian+p ... F914DFA3DC

and here are specific links:

https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2015/10 ... amids-and/

And here is the physics model link:

https://phys.org/news/2018-07-reveals-g ... focus.html

If you don't want to believe the russian studies then the above model you can believe.


Honestly at this point; you are just making stuff up...before you came off as a standard cynic...now you are just a useless bitter liar. I won't bother responding to the rest in light of the physics model already being address prior on multiple responses.

You can doubt all you want, but the western physicists are arguing it is possible.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:07 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:... Take into account the pyramids are built over underground rivers or underground water and the technology back then was dowsing. ...

Where is the evidence that "the pyramids are built over underground rivers or underground water"?

You have to be the dumbest person I have ran across recently:

http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

To shorten the above, they found the subterranean chambers worn away by the movement of water, necessitating an under ground flow of water directly beneath the pyramids at one time.


Mayans:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/f ... nt-pyramid