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Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:58 pm
by Age
TimeSeeker wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:38 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:28 pm Finally. I have been wanting help in learning how to communicate better. Thank you.
I think you are lying though. How do I know that you actually understood what I am saying? What if you didn't and you are just confused. Or if you are still deceitful about your intentions? Maybe I have to re-explain.

After all, you have been OBSERVING, but not LEARNING how to use language. Now I just said the magic phrase and *poof* you learned just like that? Open Sesame? Maybe you should have expressed your EXPECTATIONS more clearly?

Which ASPECTS of communication are you struggling with and why wasn't Information Theory good enough for you?
Information theory studies the quantification, storage, and communication of information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory

Since you had a very narrow-minded conception of COMMUNICATION, Maybe that hypothesis is worth following up after all? ;)
Is a 'theory' true, right, and correct?

If NOT, then WHY bother making them up, and then WHY bother even looking at some thing that may be right but may also be WRONG?

WHY make up assumptions and guesses about what IS at all? Especially when ALL one has to do is just look at what IS instead?

That latter WAY is a much quicker, easier, and simpler WAY to finding out what the actual and real TRUTH IS, anyway.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:00 pm
by Age
intentionally bland

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:12 pm
by TimeSeeker
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:58 pm Is a 'theory' true, right, and correct?
You tell me. It's useful.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:16 pm
by Age
TimeSeeker wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:12 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:58 pm Is a 'theory' true, right, and correct?
You tell me. It's useful.
It is useful to who/what?

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:17 pm
by TimeSeeker
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:16 pm
TimeSeeker wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:12 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:58 pm Is a 'theory' true, right, and correct?
You tell me. It's useful.
It is useful to who/what?
To me.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:39 pm
by Age
TimeSeeker wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:17 pm
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:16 pm
TimeSeeker wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:12 pm
You tell me. It's useful.
It is useful to who/what?
To me.
WHY?

WHAT for?

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:44 pm
by TimeSeeker
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:39 pm WHY?

WHAT for?
For whatever pleases me.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:44 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:35 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:23 am
Age wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:14 am

You are way, way off topic once again. None of what you wrote is in relation to what I asked to clarify in regards to what YOU, yourself, wrote. What was; The fact that you are no older than 25 is obvious to me. And if I am wrong,

How can an obvious FACT that is obvious to YOU have the possibility of being WRONG, also?

We are NOT talking about a thing moving through "time" and "materiality" (as if that was even possible?). However, what we are talking about is YOUR very own remark that was, and is supposedly an obvious FACT to you but you also admit could be WRONG. Very contradictory statement to make, from My perspective.

You can TRY and off in as many different tangents as you like but the fact still remains that you wrote what you did, and, I am TRYING TO gain some clarity from you.

YOU ALSO, continually do NOT even attempt to respond to my other clarifying questions in regards to what you say and write down.
What questions? This was the first post I remember between us, and if it is not then there are not that many or whatever question you ask is not notified to me because of absence of quotation.

Are you talking about philosophy And what people want from it?

The reference was not to your age, but rather the logic of something being right and wrong at the same time. It is possible. The post is relevant to the 2nd question before the last. What are you talking about, the issue with age is between you and timeseeker...?
Sorry it was My fault completely. I only noticed your name AFTER I responded. I have already re-edited my response. Apologies again
No big deal...It appeared more for timeseeker...lol.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:49 am
by accelafine
Age wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:54 am
A_Seagull wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:28 am
Age wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:01 pm facts that can not be disputed.
What facts about the world do you know that cannot be disputed?
Human beings do not need money to live.
Every adult, human being, is greedy.
Greedy adults are the major cause of pollution.
Pollution leads to the demise of the livable planet earth.
In current times without earth human beings can not continually exist.

Greed helps in causing wars.
Wars cost uncountable horror and terror in some human beings.
Numerous humans are killed in wars.
Human beings murdered in wars have relatives, who mostly want to take revenge, causing more wars, death, or destruction.
Wars cost billions upon billions of dollars. Peace costs nothing.

All human beings are born, relatively, with no thought at all.
All thought comes from a previous experience.
All human behavior comes from a thought.
All human behavior is learned.

Living in peace and harmony is an extremely simple and easy thing to do.
Discovering and learning how to do it can be very easy or very hard.
If, and when, human beings are brought up in a peaceful and harmonious world, then they will just accept that as being the norm/reality.
Most human beings accept that 'the world', the time and era, that they live in is the norm/reality.
The Mind is always open and able to learn any thing. Thoughts, however, can get in the way of the Mind.

Every adult abuses children
All children have been abused.
Dishonesty leads to wrong doing.
Honestly leads to doing what is right.
Dishonesty, child abuse, and greed are wrong and are the three main causes of all wrong doing by all adult human beings.
ALL adult human beings behave wrongly.

There are no world problems.
Human beings are the only ones who create problems.
There is a solution, and an answer, to all problems.
The answers to all meaningful questions in life are very simple, quick, and easy to find.

To name but just a minute few.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 6:45 pm
by Perspective
A_Seagull wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:02 am What do people want from philosophy?

Is there a commonality of goal or does everyone with a passing interest in philosophy want something different?

What is it that people want? Certainty? Understanding? A hobby? To find God? To find purpose?
I like to learn truth that helps me understand and interact in this world, with myself & with others better.

To me, philosophy that doesn’t help with that ^, is a waste of precious time.

Re: What do people want from philosophy?

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:21 pm
by Phil8659
A_Seagull wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:02 am What do people want from philosophy?

Is there a commonality of goal or does everyone with a passing interest in philosophy want something different?

What is it that people want? Certainty? Understanding? A hobby? To find God? To find purpose?
For one thing, it is completely senseless to ask the question prior to agreeing upon the definition of the word. Plato is the only person in history who defined it correctly, however, I have never read anyone, even claiming to be a so called Platonist, who recognized the answer. Plato did not teach Philosophy, Plato was a Grammar Teacher, and as he indicated, every grammar is dialectical, i.e., what we call today, binary. It is a well known fact, all information can be processed using binary recursion. This is because, the definition of a thing expresses a singe unit equated to a binary expression.
Plato called these two parts of speech by several names, after all, they are the only two concepts one has to master. Noun and Verb, relative and correlatives. shape or form containing some material difference. In general semantics, the container (noun) and the contained. Tom is a Cat. Noun equals noun and verb.
The intelligible binary multipled by the physical binary of a grammar system which is the symbol set for the noun, and the method of recursiveely applying the symbols for the verb, gives us exactly Four primitive categories of Grammar: Common Grammar, Arithmetic, Algebra and Geometry . This is called a Grammar Matrix, or in the metaphors of the Bible, a matrix of mensuration.
Everyone knows also, that we use equality in a binary fashion, each one commensurate with one member of our binary. Common names for them are Arithmetic and Geometric, literal and metaphorical, etc.
People either claim, for example that the Bible is written literally, and that Plato wrote literally. But of the two types of identity, and Plato demonstrated this, arithmetic and geometric, which one forces you to learn judgment? Which one promotes the use of judgment and reflection. not Arithmetic, literal, any moron can generally accomplish that, it is Geometric, or again, metaphorical.

A mind has one, and only one job to do, its not a choice, it is not what you can give or take away, it is a biological fact; a mind is an information processor, and, if you are still with me, all it can do is process information using binary recursion.

So, how is it that every book on Grammar, even though Plato was the founder of formal grammar, claims that there are more parts of speech than two? Ask your computer, if there are more parts of speech than two, how is it that it does use binary, Okati was established Formal Grammar, including the fact that grammar is binary, which he called dialectal, yet not one educated person in history ever followed Plato and explained it.
Not one. Now one correct grammar book since the time of Plato.


Plato knew, very clearly at least these three facts.
1.) The purpose of a human mind,
2. How it has to, by fact, do its job.
3. Relation to self is inadmissible.

It does not matter what people want out of Philosophy, especially as defined by Plato. What they will always get from actual philosophy, is as Plato said, learning how to do our own work as a mind.

Now, I studied Plato for years, and still do. I have made compilations of his work, free downloads, all of it reformated and edited for machine reading so that you do not have to read him because you can now have the computer read it to you. My own reading program I wrote, will even automatically change voices giving each character their own machine voice. It can process around 600 files at a time so that I can compile the auido for the audio books I make and not have to tend the computer.

You will find that work, as I said, for free, on the Internet Archive.
Both the Bible and Plato, were developed to encourage mankind to learn to do his own work, which is biologically defined. A mind is potentially the most powerful life support system possible.
As relation to self is inadmissible, no one has a choice, they either have the intelligence to do their own work, or they do not.