Philosophy Now Forum

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:23 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 am You're just saying the obvious..aka knowledge, any fool can know knowledge.

And you are denying the obvious.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:19 am All I'm saying is that the human dna programme was not written by a human.

Well, DUH! Any fool can tell that. Most DNA was not written by a human. Evolution tells that story.

But FREE WILL allows us to:
* Override the program (STOP breathing underwater)
* Understand the program (Human genome project)
* Engineer the program ( Gene therapy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_engineering )

HuH!!

So what?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:23 am The body is not interested in food. It could and would still survive if it had to live on a diet of sawdust and glue if that's what it took to survive.

And if you were wrong - that's Natural Selection at play.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 am HuH!!

So what?

So nothing. You have free will.

Your choices decide if you get to continue your genes. If you eat sawdust for a month - I imagine that would be a no.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:25 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 am HuH!!

So what?

So nothing. You have free will.

There is no you to have free will, you are free will.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:25 am There is no you to have free will, you are free will.

Until you eat sawdust for a month. Then you stop being a free will.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:26 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:25 am There is no you to have free will, you are free will.

Until you eat sawdust for a month. Then you stop being a free will.

All decisions are made unconsciously..like I keep repeating to you, the conscious mind is a phantom, it doesn't exist.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:28 am All decisions are made unconsciously..like I keep repeating to you, the conscious mind is a phantom, it doesn't exist.

And you can keep denying it all you want while you refuse to breathe underwater. For the first 60-120 seconds anyway.

You are fighting pretty hard to deny your free will. One might ask 'Why?'. Why do you so desperately avoid responsibility?

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:29 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:28 am All decisions are made unconsciously..like I keep repeating to you, the conscious mind is a phantom, it doesn't exist.

And you can keep denying it all you want while you refuse to breathe underwater. For the first 60-120 seconds anyway.

You are fighting pretty hard to deny your free will. One might ask 'Why?'. Why do you so desperately avoid responsibility?

Will is this free flow of energy flowing freely right now in the actual moment. No one lives in the actual moment, such an entity arises on reflection as awareness becomes aware of itself as awareness and takes responsibilty on the back of that reflection.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:37 am Will is this free flow of energy flowing freely right now in the actual moment. No one lives in the actual moment, such an entity arises on reflection as awareness becomes aware of itself as awareness and takes responsibilty on the back of that reflection.

Energy is just a concept.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:40 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:37 am Will is this free flow of energy flowing freely right now in the actual moment. No one lives in the actual moment, such an entity arises on reflection as awareness becomes aware of itself as awareness and takes responsibilty on the back of that reflection.

Energy is just a concept.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

Every thing is a concept known.

What or who that knowing is...is unknown...except as conceived in this immaculate conception, the story of I

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There is only the dream.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:45 am There is only the dream.

I'll let you answer yourself

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 am HuH!!

So what?

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:46 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:45 am There is only the dream.

I'll let you answer yourself

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:24 am HuH!!

So what?

Well that you would be no one answering itself.

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From self to self an eternal spring.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:56 am Well that you would be no one answering itself.
From self to self an eternal spring.

That would be someone talking to themselves.

Or about themselves

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:26 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:25 am There is no you to have free will, you are free will.

Until you eat sawdust for a month. Then you stop being a free will.

Why this will go on till 'the cows come home' is you did not address the critical issue 'there is no you'.

I put that false claim in perspective here;
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25257

If you stop DAM on her track and proves her wrong then that will be the end of her bleating story.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:26 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:25 am There is no you to have free will, you are free will.

Until you eat sawdust for a month. Then you stop being a free will.

There is no known beginning nor ending to the chooser ..a choice is known in the apparent belief there is a chooser choosing within the dream of separation, the fictional story of a chooser.

That's what free will means...intention is the rider of the will...will (am-ness) (presence)is this direct actual infinite boundless eternal freedom NOW..within which every choice is a choiceless choice, no chooser ever chose anything, it was a free choice no one made for here there is no known beginning nor ending to the chooser ...a choice is known in the concept within the dream of separation.

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