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Hobbes' Choice wrote:The point is not to serve any master but mastery of the self, be that material or spiritual.
Living is to embrace your existential experience, not succumb to false abstractions; which spirit and body both are.

DAM: Let yourself drift into mindless relief from the endless torment of thought.

Hobbes: Forget silly abstract ideas about life and death and embrace actual reality while you're alive.

Me: The above represents shallow, mechanist one-size-fits-all advice that ignores human diversity.

How abstractly inclined one is, or how inclined towards deep thought one is, is individual.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:The point is not to serve any master but mastery of the self, be that material or spiritual.
Living is to embrace your existential experience, not succumb to false abstractions; which spirit and body both are.

But by saying 'mastery of the self'..that's still slavery to a self. It is a contradiction in terms to talk about 'mastery of the self'.Who would master what? Self realisation is the discovery by no one that there is no self to discover, no self to realise.

What you truly are is this immediate direct boundless freedom aka beingness/oneness living itself and the you is just an appearance in and of that,the you is an appearance, a finite experience of infinity expressing itself.It's not your experience,or belonging to a self, there's just the 'experience'.No thing aka infinity experiences itself as and through a machine, aka the body mind mechanism. The self is a simulation appearing real but not actually real.That's all I'm trying to show people.

The infinite is depicted as being the spirit in religious terminology, but it's all just concepts pointing ''the you'' back home to the truth that there is no you because there is no other than you. The Self is non-dual.

Dontaskme wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:The point is not to serve any master but mastery of the self, be that material or spiritual.
Living is to embrace your existential experience, not succumb to false abstractions; which spirit and body both are.

But by saying 'mastery of the self'..that's still slavery to a self. It is a contradiction in terms to talk about 'mastery of the self'.Who would master what?

Rubbish. Mastery is not slavery

This seems to be your only technique, and it is getting pretty annoying: black is white; full is empty; dark is light.

I don't know who you are trying to impress; maybe Greta, but it ain't working on me.

Greta wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:The point is not to serve any master but mastery of the self, be that material or spiritual.
Living is to embrace your existential experience, not succumb to false abstractions; which spirit and body both are.

DAM: Let yourself drift into mindless relief from the endless torment of thought.

Hobbes: Forget silly abstract ideas about life and death and embrace actual reality while you're alive.

Me: The above represents shallow, mechanist one-size-fits-all advice that ignores human diversity.

How abstractly inclined one is, or how inclined towards deep thought one is, is individual.

I was not the one who childishly put up a meme with spirit good, body bad.
Get over yourself! This is philosophy

Greta wrote:
I was first contemplating the notion of non-thinking and wordless thought over four decades ago. While you have have only recently learned the trick of switching off your mind and are obviously excited about it, it's been about 45 years for me so forgive me if I seem a little blasé about your "revelations".

There is some irony that philosophy forums are increasingly infected with ignorant people who try to compensate for their intellectual deficits by reddefining ignorance as a virtue, superior to knowledge. If you debate their points then you must necessarily "lose" every time because even in disagreeing you have committed the "sin" of thinking. You must either agree or lose, or better still, ignore.

Hey, I don't knock you for choosing to live the lie over living the truth, make your own bed, it's none of my business.

As for me, I'm choosing to live the truth, that's my prerogative.

This is not a game of win or lose, it's a way of living.

And yes, I am excited at knowing the truth, it's extremely liberating. But you are wrong in that I have just only recently learned this, I've known it all my life. Your projections totally miss the mark, You appear to be an angry person who cannot be pleased for the peaceful place others are in, which actually kind of sums you up in a nutshell, that's not my cup of tea at all. The last part of your comments are from a cold ugly heart, I like my tea warm. But correct me if my projections are wrong. If you recognise what's being talked about then why condemn it to the sin bin, why not just acknowledge it with a mature nod of the head and walk away. You don't have to go into overdrive of defence and attack mode here, what is it that stirs such Distain in you?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:The point is not to serve any master but mastery of the self, be that material or spiritual.
Living is to embrace your existential experience, not succumb to false abstractions; which spirit and body both are.

But by saying 'mastery of the self'..that's still slavery to a self. It is a contradiction in terms to talk about 'mastery of the self'.Who would master what?

Rubbish. Mastery is not slavery

This seems to be your only technique, and it is getting pretty annoying: black is white; full is empty; dark is light.

I don't know who you are trying to impress; maybe Greta, but it ain't working on me.

You miss the point as usual. There can be no master without a slave.

Dontaskme wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Dontaskme wrote: But by saying 'mastery of the self'..that's still slavery to a self. It is a contradiction in terms to talk about 'mastery of the self'.Who would master what?

Rubbish. Mastery is not slavery

This seems to be your only technique, and it is getting pretty annoying: black is white; full is empty; dark is light.

I don't know who you are trying to impress; maybe Greta, but it ain't working on me.

You miss the point as usual. There can be no master without a slave.

There is no thought without a brain ; use it sometime, you might start thinking.

Mastery is a process, it requires no slave. You have confused definitions,
noun
1.
comprehensive knowledge or skill in a particular subject or activity.
"she played with some mastery"
synonyms: proficiency, ability, capability.
2.
control or superiority over someone or something.
"man's mastery over nature"
synonyms: control, superiority, domination, command, ascendancy, supremacy, pre-eminence, triumph, victory, the upper hand, the whip hand, rule, government, power, sway, authority, jurisdiction, dominion, sovereignty
"man's mastery over nature"

Some words have multiple meanings. Learn how to use them, you are looking stupid.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

I was not the one who childishly put up a meme with spirit good, body bad.

The spirit represents the light of awareness, it's not good.
the body represents the lights shadow, the unseen manifest, it's not bad.

Good and Bad ...what is that?

Maybe they are thoughts, are thoughts real?

Does the rain complain the weather is bad?

Quit complaining, the sun doesn't give a hoot or care if it's too hot.

Dontaskme wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

I was not the one who childishly put up a meme with spirit good, body bad.

The spirit represents the light of awareness, it's not good.
the body represents the lights shadow, the unseen manifest, it's not bad.

Good and Bad ...what is that?

Maybe they are thoughts, are thoughts real?

Does the rain complain the weather is bad?
.

You put up the stupid meme. Maybe you did not look at it properly?

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
There is no thought without a brain ; use it sometime, you might start thinking..

Oh yes, I must start thinking, let me try that...

me: Brain

Brain: Yes

me: Work please, give me a thought now

Brain: I can't do that, you are my thought, I cannot give it to you...you are already inside me. I can't get outside of me. So you'll have to come in here to me.

He doesn’t come to you. He cannot come to you. He never went away. You are the one who went away, so you go to Him <<<<<<< ALERT ALERT the following words are a METAPHOR

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
You put up the stupid meme. Maybe you did not look at it properly?

Oh I knew exactly what it meant, those with eyes, those with ears will see and hear the unseen unheard.

It was just a symbol.An image of the imageless. A manifestation of nothing.How else is anything going to be known if not by symbolic representaion?

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. Wisdom tells me I am nothing. Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows.

This is not about me waking up and waking others up...it's about the whole of humanity waking up.

We are returning to ourself once again.

Philosophy is just part of the journey to that self that we're all travelling. Resistance is futile.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Some words have multiple meanings. Learn how to use them, you are looking stupid.

Are born deaf dumb and blind people stupid? or are they just being true pure awareness which is what everything is in all fairness.

Who told you you were stupid?

Can you answer that?

Dontaskme wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Some words have multiple meanings. Learn how to use them, you are looking stupid.

Are born deaf dumb and blind people stupid? or are they just being true pure awareness which is what everything is in all fairness.

Who told you you were stupid?

Can you answer that?

Deaf dumb and blind people have an excuse; what's yours?

Try to remember Hobbes you are on a God thread, you know, the idea there is an imaginary friend separate from you.

If you want to engage in the discussion, then talk the talk, if not, why bother poking your beak in, if you poke your beak in where it don't want to be poked, then don't cry if it gets pecked off.

Dontaskme wrote:

Greta wrote:I was first contemplating the notion of non-thinking and wordless thought over four decades ago. While you have have only recently learned the trick of switching off your mind and are obviously excited about it, it's been about 45 years for me so forgive me if I seem a little blasé about your "revelations".

There is some irony that philosophy forums are increasingly infected with ignorant people who try to compensate for their intellectual deficits by reddefining ignorance as a virtue, superior to knowledge. If you debate their points then you must necessarily "lose" every time because even in disagreeing you have committed the "sin" of thinking. You must either agree or lose, or better still, ignore.

Hey, I don't knock you for choosing to live the lie over living the truth, make your own bed, it's none of my business.

As for me, I'm choosing to live the truth, that's my prerogative.

This is not a game of win or lose, it's a way of living.

And yes, I am excited at knowing the truth, it's extremely liberating. But you are wrong in that I have just only recently learned this, I've known it all my life. Your projections totally miss the mark, You appear to be an angry person who cannot be pleased for the peaceful place others are in, which actually kind of sums you up in a nutshell, that's not my cup of tea at all. The last part of your comments are from a cold ugly heart, I like my tea warm. But correct me if my projections are wrong. If you recognise what's being talked about then why condemn it to the sin bin, why not just acknowledge it with a mature nod of the head and walk away. You don't have to go into overdrive of defence and attack mode here, what is it that stirs such Distain in you?

No matter how I have criticised you, it's not even close to the venom and personal attack you display here, Mr Warm Tea I also note that your deep understanding of your and my inherent oneness and connection ... scratch the surface of Mr Warm Tea and it there lies Mr Volcano ready to erupt.

What I dislike most is the patronising - sprouting the obvious as though others have never contemplated or experienced anything in their lives. Experience has alerted me to those who act as though they are all sweetness and light, but are full of anger underneath.

Those who show disdain towards knowledge attempt to elevate their instincts over the hard won knowledge of others. It's a matter of respect and appreciating others' insights and talents rather than touting one's own "rightness" in all things. I worked with scientists for years and was impressed with their depth of understanding in subjects unrelated to their disciplines - that people never get to see in interviews or in their published work. They sure weren't the two dimensional straw persons that you routinely create to knock down.

So yes, I strongly resent the current anti-intellectual trends in an age where those who speak most persistently and/or loudest are "right", no matter the facts of a situation. Since you are talking about ugliness, look no further than anti-intellectualism in the public conversation.

Regards

The part of The Universe that Mr Warm Tea Who Is Full Of Love heartily detests