ken wrote:TSBU wrote:ken wrote:I will play. I would just ask the killer why she wants to kill others.
"she"? Why do you say "she"?
To get a reaction from you, and see what that reaction is exactly.
Because...
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:ken wrote:So, why do you want to kill people?
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Why not?
I do not care if you do. I am just asking you this question to find out if you knew why you want to kill people. I have come to realize nearly all people actually do not know why they (want to) do most of what they do when questioned. Most people, like you, just go around doing things most of their lives without ever really realizing why they/you (want to) do it.
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Well, nobody has all the answers. Nobody know why do they eat, you can say "because I want to live", well, nobody seem to know why do they want to live. And if they know, nobody know why they... in the end, you do things cause that's what you like to do. It feels good, so you do it. If you keep in "sure" things, you never move. There wouldn't be a single artist in the world, there wouldn't be scientist either, cause curiosity is the search for the unknown, and you don't know what are you going to find when you search (or you wouldn't be searching). Well, I do know why this feels good "a little", I don't like some kind of people, you seem to have the same feelings, so, even knowing that I can't kill all the people I don't like, it feels good when I do it. It's similar to grab a piece of garbage when you go to the forest, keep it, and throw it to the bin when you are in the city. You can't make the forest clean, but it feels good. Also, if you go for a walk to the forest, you are not thinking in.. you just want to have a nice day. Well, I like it.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote:Look I'm not like those TV killers, like Dexter etc.
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I did not ask what you are like. I asked you, "Why do you want to kill people?"
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Well, I'm saying that my reasons are not like the reasons of that murderers. That's what I mean when I say that I'm not like them.
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ken wrote:I have no idea why "TV killers" want to kill people, so saying you are not like them answers nothing for Me.
By the way you are aware that TV killers are not real, right? I am only in 'you', a real person.
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They are like many book killers. Look, I know nothing about you, my first aproach to say my reasons, is the same for everybody, and many people start thinking in killers that way. Also, there are many killers (not all of them) who were similar to those killers, in the end, they are sometimes based on reality.
What do you mean by "I am only in "you" a real person?
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TSBU wrote:Like most of humans, I get a lot of stress treating other human beings.
ken wrote:It appears your english language is not the same as others, what to you mean by 'treating' other human beings? What is the word 'treating' in reference to exactly?
I'm Spanish and my English sucks. I mean... everything you do related with other human beings, deal with them.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:I'm sure that sometimes you felt angry, maybe you felt that you wanted to kill someone, well, if you kill that particular person, you'll be caught quickly, but in many cases, there's always someone similar to him.
Two things here:
1. I do not allow internal feelings to control Me.
2. Killing a 'person' and killing a human 'body' are two different things, which I think you are not ready to delve into just yet.
I am still trying to determine if you actually know why you want to kill people. If you do not, then that is fine. It is actually very normal not to actually know why you want to do things. If you do know why you want to kill people, then I would love for you to tell Me.
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1. I don't think so. That's impossible, you may try to make sure that your actions don't contradict your desires, you may try to don't let quick feelings controll you if they contradict other feelings, but we work with feelings. You probably listen to music for example, if you don't do that... when you are dealing with any problem, you can't controll every statistic in your head and do math, you move on quick feelings, if you lose your keys in your house, you don't know where to look, but you may feel "they are probably here"... without any exact memory. Well, I don't see a contradiction in my feelings and desires when I kill people, I lose nothing.
2. I know the difference between a person and a body. And I would be happier with many people dead. I gain more with they being dead bodies.
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ken wrote:
TSBU wrote:I just do it.
Are you readily admitting that you actually have no idea why you want to kill people? That is fine as I explained. I already understand and know why you want to kill people. I also know why you do not yet fully know why. If you are fully prepared to learn and understand these things, then I can and will explain. But you have to seriously want to know, otherwise I will let you go on continuing killing people if that is what you really want to do. I certainly do not make people do anything that they do not want to do. You are free to choose to do whatever you want to do. You just have to be prepared to expect how human beings will react and what they will do to you. Some of them will even (want to) kill you because it is "wrong" to kill people. Go figure!
And another one who knows a killer who doesn't exist... well, at least you are playing, lets see where this leads.
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I said I begun to take photos just to find a person who can make me understand why should I stop, or somone who can make me feel that I'm not the only one who can understand this, so go ahead and explain, I will try to understand. Also, I know how they react: they don't do it, unless you are catching too much attention. I've killed lot of people, policemen sometimes found the bodies, and sometimes, I figure they thought it was a murder and not "natural death", but they didn't related the chrimes, and, like many other chrimes, they put it in a cage, and they forgot. What they don't like is me catching attention, making more people realize how little they can controll.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote:To be honest, I don't see many difference between humans, I look for a pray for some time, I make sure that he is an easy target, and I want to kill him, then I do it.
A few things here:
1. What differences do you see between human beings?
To Me, a 'human being' is the exact same as another, in what they are made up of. Just like all trees are made up of the exact same things and all houses are made up of the exact same things, but each human being, tree, and house look and are different in their own unique special way.
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1. I see many differences between them, but, when it comes to kill them, I kill them if I see them as bad people, if they lie, steal, hurt each other, if they don't fight for justice. Sometimes I left them alive if I feel that they are not just garbage, but that's strange.
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ken wrote:2. I think you mean 'prey' instead of 'pray'.
Yes XD sorry, thanks for saying it.
ken wrote:What do you mean by you look for prey some time?
Why do you look for the male of the human species?
Why only the 'easy' targets? What exactly do you mean by 'easy'?
I think this is my crapy English, sorry.
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I can't find a person one day on the street and kill him, that's dangerous, if I see someone and he looks like my kind of prey (a bad person), I have to study his habits, make "sure" that he is a bad person, choose the perfect moment to kill him and make a plan to kill him. If he is too difficult to kill, I let him go... there are a lot of bad people arround there. Easy target is one who is alone a lot of time and allways has the same rutine for example, I'm not going to say you everything, because that would be usefull to catch me.
And I don't kill just males, who said that?
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(In Spanish, sometimes "hombres", translation "men", is used with all human beings. So I may have been wrong again... shit I have to improve my English).
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How do you actually feel just before you do it? How do you feel when you are doing it? How do you feel just after you do it? Also, what are you thinking at those times?
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I'm not there in some cases, cause I can use poison or traps (it's more safe for me), then I go and take the photo. I'm a little nervous, and looking for signal that shows that something is wrong with my plan. Then I take the photo and I leave. And that's now, before this, I just waited to see if he appeared the next day.
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ken wrote:
These and other questions when answered openly and honestly by you will help you discover WHY you want to kill people. That is of course if you want know why you (want to) kill people.
Look... I'm not a killer... shit why is that so difficult to understand? I can imagine that, hell, nearly everybody have violent feelings from time to time, and in the picture of the murderer that I'm giving, there is, of course, a part of me... maybe I'm too good describing it? XD Well, good for me, my book will be a bestseller XD. You can try to understand me (not the killer), but I don't put "all" of me on the killer, so you won't have enough information. To be honest, my real problem is describing people who aren't important in the book, reactions of the common people to some events.... but ok, that's out oh the thread...
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:It's like a therapy, if I feel stress, I kill someone.
Ah okay, it does seem like you do want to delve into this a bit more and discover you want to kill people. Is this correct?
ken wrote:If yes, then how exactly do you feel stress? When does this stress appear? What exactly does the stress feel like? Where are you mostly likely to feel stress? Why do you think you feel stress?
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Do you... live in this world? don't you have an idiot boss in your job, who is there because he is coussin of... And don't you have a neightbor who shout all day and doesn't let you sleep? Don't you feel anger when you see Trump or any other politician talking on TV? Aren't you tired of that people who lie to get money from young people who trust in them? Don't you feel angry when you see adds? Well, I do.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote: But it's no "ritual" and it isn't related with "control", I know that my life won't change, it's more like a person punching a bag.
Okay, that all sounds fair enough. Killing people is just a release of pressure/stress for you, am I right?
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I guess you can say that. When I say it's not ritual, I'm saying it isn't anything very "speciall" for me, and I don't keep trophys or anything like that (I just take the photos to put them in internet), you can go to the forest for a walk, you can kill people, you can punch a bag...
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:I lose nothing doing this, and I gain relax.
So is that the reason why you want to do it again?
If you ask the same question three times, you'll get the same answer three times. Lets try to ask things just one time. I'll try to do the same.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote: People steal everyday, they are completely absurd when they treat each other, some people live in hell or comit suicide, because other peoples actions, I'm not worse to you than them.
I NEVER said you are worse.
In fact to Me no person is better nor worse than other. All are equal.
Really? hard to believe, maybe we don't think in the same meanings for "better" or "worse".
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So what if people steal everyday? What people actually do is of no concern to Me. All I am interested in is if people want to become better human beings and want to be truly open and honest about what they. That is all I am really interested in.
So, they are better or worse... can you explain your values? take your time if you want, I promise I will try to understand your values.
ken wrote:Do you like being judged by people? If not, then why do you judge the complete "absurdness" of what they do? Do you think that just maybe some of the stress you are feeling could be coming from other people judging you?
Yes I like it. I may not like the result, but I always like to be judged. I (and in my book, that's going to be important) feel stressed when people don't judge XD. About the killer, he can say the same.
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If some people do live in hell, as you put it, or commit suicide because of other people's actions, then what do you think those actions are that could cause people to do such things? Could those actions be causing stress in them? And, then could that stress be causing them to do those things? Could one of those actions, which other people do to others, that is causing/creating all of this be judging? If you/people do like being judged and it helps cause stress in you/people, then just maybe judgement or the judging of others is one of the major causes of all the stress among people, which in turn causes you/people to do the things that you/people do, to relieve the pressure/stress, which will be discovered is usually in the form of some 'absurd' thing, which inevitably turns into an addictive behavior.
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Well, to put it simple. If you grab a gun, you shoot one person while you are drunk, and the bullet make him be in a Wheelchair for the rest of his life (or you are a in a medical business and you are giving bad medicines to the people... check bayer history by the way...), if you have a kid without thinking and you punch him every day, if you...
There are no actions causing them to do such things. People are like that, in the same context, one of them are good people, and others are bad people. even if they weren't like that when they borned, they will be like that all their life. And no, if I kill the father of a the boy in my example, if I kill the one who "has" slave whores, if I... that won't make more bad people (well, sometimes, there is a power vacuum ((((I don't know if that's expresion is ok in English)))))) so there's going to be somone who ocupe the position of the one I killed). Most of people don't do bad things because of stress, they do it because money, sex, and power. And they are never satisfied. And I don't think we all deserve the same, that's absurd in my eyes. If you judge the incompetent doctor and don't let him be your doctor, you'll have less stress, and your legs to walk. He may feel that he wants the recognition other doctos have and then, start to steal and lie, but I'm not the one to blame because I want my legs.
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ken wrote:
All of this can be verified and backed up much further with all the evidence that is surrounding you now. The further this is delved into the more the amazing and the enlightening the discoveries appear.
I don't think so. You can keep your silence about your judgements, but you can't escape judgementes, because they are part of you , you judge stones, you judge people, you judge, you think "what is/who is better"? And that's not bad. (And it's worse to lie).
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:People in wars do it, people kill in many situations, this is just a not socially accepted one.
That is just because it is not understood by society, especially when a 'you' does it. But when a 'they' (a society) do it, then it is usually accepted by most of them. Very hypocritical, right? Remember I am on your side. As I said previously I totally understand why 'you', and all people for that matter, do absolutely everything you/they do.
Same for the killer and for me: Society doesn't exist, it's just a word many people use when they want to talk about many people without saying names. But if you say that society is wrong, some people (lots of them) are wrong.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:But nobody wants to think in this things.
What do you mean by nobody? You and I are thinking these things, right?
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Yes, yes, c'mon... I mean... only a few people.
ken wrote:Of course people do not really care about other's dying. Just look at how many of these so called upright adult citizens of the so called wealthier societies actually care about all the absolutely innocent children who die every day from needing just some nutrients. These totally naturally incapable of fending for themselves children just need a bit of food each day yet countless adults in other countries will throw food away just for the sake of it. Just the trash cans from some fast food restaurants would probably be more than enough to feed the dying of the world. Human adults have been conditioned to not care one bit about most others dying around them. Most adults will only eat food for the taste, and still become so totally overweight, while others, including children, die in front of them from needing just a bit more food.
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They haven't been conditioned, they "are" just like that. Feeding all the people is not so easy, and your words are being repeted by millions of people while you read, and 99% of them is going to do nothing about it. Some people do it. And more children will come to this world because there is someone to feed them, but not his parents. Hamburgers taste good and I hurt no one when I eat them, I don't have overweight, but if I had it, that wouldn't jurt anyone either, and I may be happier that way. Ey, if there is an earthquake, and people get trapped in a place without water, people with overweight will survive.
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Also, about 'caring' or 'not caring', it is one thing to allow others to die, because we, with money and resources, could not actually be bothered helping the "others" to survive, but it is a completely other thing to go and spend a lot of this money and resources into designing and building weapons, and then going out and killing all those absolutely defenseless, innocent, helpless, and totally incapable of fending for themselves children in other countries, just because the adults of differing countries/cultures have made up an idea of some sort of "religion" or "beliefs" that must be followed and adhered to.
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See? you get stessed when you deal with people too. Oh, I think you should try to kill bad people too, maybe you'll like it...
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ken wrote:
I always find it truly amazing that some people really still wonder why the relatives of these innocent (and not so innocent) people who are killed want to take out revenge and get back at the killers by killing them in retribution. The absolute absurdity of all of this is truly amazing to sit back and watch. The bewilderment and confusion in human being's heads is really a sight to be seen and a story to be listened to and heard.
But... it's not so simple. Revenge? Revenge is what I see as one of those "not well thought" things, they kill other people because they are told to do so. Every one of them, in every place, except a couple of strange guys like the one in my example, but the biggest part of death is in soldiers, in both "sides", and soldiers don't think in revenge, unless they are told to say so. Every human action in the end is there because humans are what they are, you can controll them, but you can't change what they are (what they do if you don't controll them).
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Why do you write, "kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk..."?
To put a separation between what I say, and what the killer in the game say (in many cases is the same, but some people are stupid enough to even call police if I don't do things like that).
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Well, I don't want to stop killing people, but I really want to know why should I stop, everybody says that.
Not everybody says you should stop killing people. I certainly never said that. All I have done is ask you some clarifying questions. I just want to know why you want to kill people. Go ahead, make your day. Kill as many as you like, but it seems rather contradictory that you come here to a forum on the internet to ask people why you yourself should stop killing people. Only you really know what you want to do, and only you do, and will with some questioning, know what you should or should not do in Life.
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I think it's wize listening to people who think different. But I did this to look for understanding, it's ok if uou think that this is right, and now we can keep talking about more things knowing that you think it's correct (or not bad) to kill people
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ken wrote:
Just maybe when you find out WHY you want to kill people yourself you will come to an understanding and/or a realization, by yourself, why you should stop killing people. This same principle applies for ALL people. When they find out WHY they (want to) live the life they live, which in turns allows the killing of others as well as indirectly directly permits the killing of others, then they will also come to an understanding and/or a realization, by themselves, of why they also should stop killing people.
As I said, nobody knows everything about himself, and nobody knows nothing. Everybody take decissions with their knowledge thinking in the best result. Everybody somehow know why do they do things, they may no translate that to your head, but in their head, it makes sense.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote: Have you ever had that feeling when you are alone in your thoughts?
Yes. Why?
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Because when I feel that way, I want someone to share my thoughts.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote: Maybe I'm wrong and I can't see it, and I feel alone in my mind, but I don't want to go to jail .So I said myself, ey, put it in a forum, maybe someone can explain why is this wrong with an explanation I can understand, or maybe I find more people like me. That's why I started taking photos, it's more difficult to kill this way, because this catch attention, and if they catch me, they'll know how many people did I killed, but I knew it was the only way to have the chance of getting good and enough answers.
Are you saying that with-in 'you' there is a knowing that it is actually wrong to kill people, but you are not quite sure WHY it is wrong?
No, I know why is it wrong. Well, it isn't always wrong, but in this moment, for me, it is wrong because I gain nothing killing people, I don't gain relax either, I think I would get more stress killing people that way XD. I don't give a fuck about nearly anything, so I may kill somoeone only if he is a continuos kick in my ass very big to be ignored and I can't stop him using other less dangerous but equally effective ways. I agree with you in the confussion in every head, (even though we don't see the same things as confussion), it would be strange to get to that situation. Or I may transform in an specific kind of crazy man like the one in my example or anything similar, who knows, but now, I don't see sense in killing people.
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The answer to this is very simple indeed, but i, nor any other person, could tell you sufficiently what you should or should not do and why this is so. This is because it is something that is instinctively known. However, how to discover what is right and what is wrong in Life is done by looking at the thing in question, like 'killing people', and then looking at if EVERY other person would be in agreement with you, and if the 'thing' in question is in relation to others, then it needs to be looked at from the other person's perspective (if you were in their shoes, for another way of wording this). Also, added to this is to look at if the thing in question is something that you think is right or wrong only because of your particular individual upbringing, up to now. This will further highlight whether what you think is actually right or wrong in Life, then you can and will be able to know, for sure, what is actually right AND wrong in Life.
Bah, Instincts... do you think we all have the same "instincts"? XD sounds like a big bubble to me. And I can't (and you can't) use other person eyes. You can put you in their shoes, but, surprise, you wouldn't be doing the same.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:You know, I could have posted this pretending that I'm not a real killer, but most people seem to get interested in things only when there are real death people arround, after all, I've been killing people for years, and bobody cares, why should I start worrying about police trying to catch me afterputing some photos?
I can not tell you why you should start worrying. If you worry or not is your choice alone.
You don't seem to understand retoric questions, I think that's not a language problem, cause I've found people like that in my own... When a person who isn't being sarcastic say something like that, that person is trying to explain the way he had in his mind to reach his conclusion. For example. I'm lost, and... ey should I buy a map? I already know the answer, yes, but I want to say how did I get to the question...
ken wrote:People may only get 'interested' in things when there are real dead people but that usually only lasts for a very short period. For most people the 'interest' usually only lasts till the next story on the news. (By the way a more generally used word in english is 'dead' not death in this example for people).
If I were posting photos of victims, there would be hundreds of people in this thread, there would be a fan club, there would be news from time to time, etc, people would be expecting "the next photo of the killer", there would be a lot of people trying to be "the one who caught the criminal", someone would have put me a name, like "the forum killer", and before getting to jail, there would be people offering me money for interviews. Saying exactly what I'm saying. And my book would be a bestseller for sure. But being the killer I said is difficult, and I don't want nothing of that, because I gain nothing with that, I don't want to be famous for that kind of people.
Thank you for that, I see many mistakes in my English, but it's allways helpful if someone tells me more.
ken wrote:I would be pretty sure some people care about the ones you have killed, especially the relatives and the ones who make money out of looking for you. Most other people will certainly say they care and make some sort of judgement call about you, but really there is not much care at all.
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Nah, even their relatives or the people who gain money using them don't do anything. First of all, because they can't, they can't catch me. But in many cases they don't even try, there is nearly always a substitute for a person doing a job, and everybody, even me, get used to the feeling of "I can't do anything", if they try, there will be lot of people saying that they mustn't be allowed to judge other people, and, pretending that they aren't doing that, they call the police... and they, and the police, if nobody is demanding attention, sit in a sofa.
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By your very action of putting photos and asking others why it is wrong you kill and why you should stop, is the very act of drawing attention to yourself because you yourself KNOW something unconsciously deep down. There is an underlying KNOWING with-in 'you'. The beauty of bringing it out in the open to the attention of others is that 'you' can have a discussion with Me in total anonymity and thus be able to speak totally openly and honestly without any prejudice at all. Knowing that I am not judging you at all and I allow you to do and speak anyway you want can and will show others what is right and wrong in Life.
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No, I know concoiously that I feel aloone in my thoughts, that nobody understand, and I don't like to feel that way. ((((((And he doesn't exist, and I'm not a murdererrrrrrrrrr!!!!)))) What you put in bold brings me memorys. I said that long time ago... and now I'm wondering about that "she" at the begining, you can be honest out of anonymity too... my book is about that hahahahaha XD what a foolish man I can be
. And you can have prejudice in anonymity too, and judge an anonymous person. And you can't show people what they can't see ot what they don't want (because they are thaat way) to see.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:But that wouldn't get interesting anwers, I would seem an attention seeker for almost everybody.
Again adults do judge, but that is for the very same reason WHY all people do what they (want to) do. When this WHY is discovered, then they will have the
cause for all of their wrong doing, including judging, and with the cause then they will have the answer and solution to prevent any further wrong doing in the future.
Children judge too. They judge worse, and they "obey" their parents, but they judge too. People make wrong doings because people are people, and nobody is perfect, if you try to do math, sooner or later, you'll be wrong adding numbers. If you are making plans, thinking, it's the same, if you have incomplete data (and you always have incomplete data), you must think even knowing it is incomplete.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRA5FBtbHHM
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I don't think so. Also authoritism doesn't come alone, look, there will always be murderers, and authoritism, it's all part of things that are so deep in human minds, that you can nearly talk about "human nature".
Okay. If you know the answers, then why did you go/come into a forum to ask others why you should stop killing people?
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I know what I know, and I'm guided by it (not like children, who are guided by their fathers), but I know that I don't know everything. I know that, in any moment, my thoughts are wrong compared to what I'll think in the future. I already explained it, I feel alone in my thoughts. Now that we know that you think killing people is ok... (but you seem to say different things in different parts of the text), you said that you know more than me why do I do this. Well, I'm listening.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote:So, in the end, you think that I'm wrong if I kill other humans... but...
No not at all. 'You', yourself, are not wrong, and never could be because of the reason WHY 'you' are who/what you are. But that is not to say some behaviors are more wrong and more right than others are. But i, as just one individual human being, am certainly in no position to say what is actually right and wrong in Life.
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Yes you are. You can't have any knowledge for sure, no one, in ethics or out of that, but you have to think. Of course, you can't know what is good for other people you don't know, because they are not you, you don't have their mind, their insctints, etc, you are not them. But you can know if thei are a piece of garbage for your life, if you would be happier without them.
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ken wrote:TSBU wrote:
At the same time, one part of you want to see death people. Then this would be "more interesting". Why? you can do the same without death bodies.
(Again, the word 'dead' people or 'dead' bodies is more widely used in english). Anyway, it is very interesting how you quickly turned away from playing your role as a killer, as soon as it appeared that I was in fact interested in killing people and dead bodies. If you can take an introspection of this very behavior you just showed here, then you will notice that it is not much different at all then all the other people, besides Me, here in this thread.
The disgust at actually wanting to look at and/or talk to a person who is seemingly interested in killing and dead bodies is like an instinctual instinct.
There is no need to say that twice.
When people don't know how to explain that, they talk about their insctints, that's a redundant redundance.
And I go out of the role as a killer, because when I talk about that, I want to do it out of a game and lies if that's true. This game is a game, and in it, you can lie trying to catch the criminal or whatever, but I want to ask that out of the game.
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Throughout this thread you appeared puzzled at why everyone here did not want to partake in your "experiment" or "exercise" but yet you yourself have just done the exact same thing right now. This turning away from what is instinctively disgusting is very understandable, but sadly this is what has led to allowing all people to further continue their wrong doings instead of actually preventing and stopping all children from growing up into adults behaving wrongly.
Not at all, it's completely different. I'm not ashamed to say that I would want to kill people in some situations or I would do it, I'm not going to say that you are crazy and not ask etc, it's the opposite, there is no need for a game if that's true.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:If I were a real killer, I wouldn't say "Ey, I'm doing this".
Can I take a guess at WHY?
1. You do not like being judged.
2. You are scared of the punishment, and thus consequences.
I'm not a killer, so I can't say that, but I'm certeanly the answer would be 2. Anyway, you made me want to do a new thread, about the central topic of my book. (By the way, I stopped wrtting it because I felt that nobody would understand it).
ken wrote:The shame of being judged and the fear of being punished is the reason WHY all people grow up to not be truly open and honest with each other. Not being able to be totally and truly open and honest with each and all others, including one's own self, is the reason WHY most people are yet able to know and thus answer the question, 'Who am I?'
Yes, as a simplification, thas true,
ken. About that question "who am I", I've never understand that question, no one can have himself in his mind, a box can't be inside itself.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:Look, in this world, it's easy to find some things if you really want to do it, if you want to see killers, buy a gun, see some very pervert porn, go to the deep web, if you want to see slave whores, or people selling drugs to young men, I bet you already know where they are, everybody knows that.
Not everybody, but most adults yes know that, and we do not have to go to "deep" web, just about any search engine I guess will find just about all that is wanted on the first page of listings.
Nope, you can't find an "I kill people for money", and many other things. It's "easy" to find how to do bombs, or where to find poissons, but if you do a page big enough about that, it's closed..., so it isn't "so easy", etc.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:You won't have a better idea of how a killer mind works, by treating with just one murderer, and you know or should know this: there are lots of them.
Yes I have already explained how many direct and indirect killers there are in the world, just to highlight that again, just about EVERY adult human being could be seen as this.
There is no such thing as a killer mind, because of what the Mind actually is,
but this could be a fairly lengthy discussion to be fully understood.
But HOW to gain a better idea and discover exactly how the Mind works, is by getting to know one's own self much better. This is done by being truly Honest about your own wrong doing, being totally Open about it also, and by seriously Wanting to change for the better.
And a discussion I would like to have. It's a shame that my English sucks. Everybody wants to do that... if they can be sure they won't lose power, sex and money by doing it. By the way, the mind of a person is sometimes full of crap since the begining whe he was a baby. And some people can understand some things better than others.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote: The variety is in their reasons to kill people.
but the very underlying, fundamental reason WHY all people do what they do is for the very exact same reason. To get down this deep to understand WHY for all human behavior one needs to look at the variety of reasons why they them self does what they do. The reasons why every person
wants to do what they do may be varied and different, BUT the underlying reason is one and the same. When the underlying reason is understood, then other things, including who I am, start to be revealed.
Do you think so? I don't agree, but, reveal me that truth, what's that thing that everybody wants? love? I don't think so. Live forever? I don't think so. I'm listening, I know what I want, and I know that not everybody wants the same.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:You sound a lot like someone following a book (a novel...) in "how to catch psichopaths" using their pryde, and their "You can't catch me" feelings.
I am certainly NOT like that. Maybe your interpretation of what I have written is influenced by your previously gained thoughts and prejudices. I, for one, certainly do not have any pride. (By the way the 'i' and 'y' in psychopath and pride are switched around in the english language).
Yes it is. It's inevitable to be guided by prejudices, you do it too. But if you keep talking, I'll have an idea of how you are. And thanks again.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote: But a killer can feel love, a soldier is a killer, and most people can be soldiers, they are "common" people.
Most people say hitler was a bad person, but he still would have loved his children and family and may did what he wanted did and wanted to achieve was for the love and devotion for a few select people. But that choosing a select few to love and be devoted to is a huge cause of the major issues and wrongness in this world "today". Also, most people have fogotten hitler was also a tiny little completely innocent baby the exact same as every other person, who grew up as a just as easily influenced little innocent boy as every other child was, and was influenced throughout the rest of his childhood just like every other child was, is, and will be long into the future. 'Hilter' was not a bad person. Hilter was, just like every other person, does some bad or wrong things as well as some good or right things.
Yep, with the not so little difference, that, in the same context, he decided to do what he did, and other people didn't. Anyway, I don't blame Hitler a lot, he is not more guilty than lot of people, we agree in that. We both judge and see it that way I think.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote: If you go out of "killing", common people lie, steal, and hurt each other, if you want to find something strange, look for a "good", honest, and smart person with guts.
I, for one, certainly know how strange that is. ALL humans beings can and do behave equally as "goodly", "honestly", and "smartly" as well as they can behave "badly", "dishonestly", and "stupidly", that is very common and normal behavior but to have "guts" and stand up against the whole of the human society is strange. There is certainly a kind of strange subliminal confrontation needed to accuse all adult human beings of being child abusers but also not to turn them away so that they can and will take a look at themselves, so they can make Life better for their children, and their children, and so on.
Yeah, there are lot of heroes in internet, who keep in internet. Anonymous heroes, writing in their computer, and lot of people who believe they are smart, good, and honest. What do you do? Noise? As I said, society doesn't exist, and if you want to stop wars, you'll have to kill so many people, that there wouldn't be people enough to call it a war, that's the only way to stop it... for a while. People (most of people) born to be that way, there have been years and years of history, and there have been no years without thieves or killers. Humans were killing each other before having a language. I try to focus in the people arround me, not in society, and I can feel is that I'm not a human being and there are not more aliens from the same planet. (there are aliens, but not from the same planet, if I'm crazy, there are crazies, but there are not crazies like me).
ken wrote:I am sure most people, in this "world" "nowadays" would want to "steal" this computer and many more things, but why should I worry about that? After all I do not really "own" it. When this body is "dead" i certainly will not be worrying about it then, so why worry about it now. If I have a love of money or possessions over people, then I certainly am not looking the right or proper way and just as certainly I will not be heading in the right and proper direction in Life. If adults are worrying about and trying to "protect" material possessions for themselves only, then this is only going to teach children to do the exact same thing.
You should worry becausse you want to keep it. Protect your territory is important, if you make a potatoe, keep it, or you will die, and with you, your children. Of course if you don't mind about that, it's your choice. I don't see it bad.
ken wrote:
No, there is no difference when people attack Me. I know WHY they do ALL what they do, so I have total understanding. Also, complete 'understanding' is what is needed for forgiveness to actually take place and have any real meaning.
Now you actually sound like a religious man talking about life after death (here it ies death I think). I don't understand forgiveness, but I don't understand vengueance either. Well, I'll keep my potatoes, and if I have a daughter, and somoene is stupid enough to rape her and I know it, I'll kill him.
ken wrote:TSBU wrote:What if they attack the one who was going to gave you your next computer? How do you put limits to your territory?
I do that by NOT having any territory.
If that's true, I hope you don't have children, because if you apply that, they will die with hunger.
ken wrote:
The repercussions from one person or one group of people thinking that they 'own a territory' should be obvious to all by now. The beauty of computers and the internet is the ability for the stupidity of ALL human beings to become more easily witnessed, observed, and noticed for what it really is. This can been seen and shared, just about instantly, every day now.
hehe, just give me some days, and I'll do a new thread, I think you'll like it. Maybe we have different meanings for "territory". By the way, the repercussions from one person or one group thinking that they know an evident truth about territory, should be obvious to all by now. But that "should" is like saying that we should live forever and never get ill. So, you are one kind of commie?
ken wrote:
However, the intelligence of ALL human beings should also be noticed and realized by now too, in the actual progression of technology which allows us to see how stupid we can also be. The ability of our intelligence to be used for right or wrong should also be-coming fully noticed by now also.
You have a stange definition of intelligence, many people have it too. You can't make wrong decissions and be intelligent in my eyes, an intelligent person is somoene who do right decissions, who has the right thoughts.
PS: IS there any prize for having the post with more words?