Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers?

[Lacewing]

Why don't you tell that to the spokesman for the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, who was the subject of divine intervention when he wrote that letter to me.

I'm sure he already figured out that you're delusional which is why he tried to keep from agitating you. He acknowledged the creativity of your manic and distorted imagination, but bravely admitted that he had to wonder if what you said was true, and even if it was: "SO WHAT?" The FACT is, he saw nothing worthwhile to pursue. He wrote a polite letter to try to pacify you so that you wouldn't contact him further, and you have SINCE continually misused that letter as a credential to raise your delusions to new heights.

Meanwhile, despite your supposed divine gifts and insights, you are regularly ravished by Satan. None of it makes any sense, and everyone except you can see that.

[bobevenson]

Your interpretation of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project letter only shows how far you are from recognizing spiritual truth.

[Lacewing]

Your interpretation of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project letter only shows how far you are from recognizing spiritual truth.

This is what you should be saying to yourself, Bob.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Your interpretation of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project letter only shows how far you are from recognizing spiritual truth.

This is what you should be saying to yourself, Bob.

Anyone who's seen that fucking letter knows Bob is a complete jerk off.

[bobevenson]

Your interpretation of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project letter only shows how far you are from recognizing spiritual truth.

This is what you should be saying to yourself, Bob.

Please, you are a stranger to spiritual truth.

[bobevenson]

Your interpretation of the Spiritual Counterfeits Project letter only shows how far you are from recognizing spiritual truth.

This is what you should be saying to yourself, Bob.

Anyone who's seen that fucking letter knows Bob is a complete jerk off.

How about the person who wrote it?

[Hobbes' Choice]

This is what you should be saying to yourself, Bob.

Anyone who's seen that fucking letter knows Bob is a complete jerk off.

How about the person who wrote it?

Exactly - he thinks you are a jerk too.

[bobevenson]

Please, you must be psychotic.

[Greatest I am]

PhilX's evidence.




Hobbes' evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_theology

"Further information: Ten Commandments § Numbering schemes
The Old Testament refers to ten individual commandments,[15][16][17] even though there are more than ten imperative sentences in the two relevant texts: Exodus 20:1–17 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21.[18][19] The Old Testament does not make clear how the texts should be divided to arrive at ten commandments."

Are those first three doable?

Can you love someone that does not love you back?

Said another way, does true love need reciprocity or can love exist when it only has one entity involved?

Those who love do so and show it by their works and deeds to another.

God does nothing and thus cannot love.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers? All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information. That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol. It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.

Not in the case of Bob the Baptist and the Church of Ouzo, and I quote from "The Variety of Religious Experience" by William James:
"There can be no doubt that as a matter of fact a religious life, exclusively pursued, does tend to make the person exceptional and eccentric. I speak not now of your ordinary religious believer, who follows the conventional observances of his country, whether it be Buddhist, Christian, or Mohammedan. His religion has been made for him by others, communicated to him by tradition, determined to fixed forms by imitation, and retained by habit. It would profit us little to study this second-hand religious life. We must make search rather for the original experiences which were the pattern-setters to all this mass of suggested feeling and imitated conduct. These experiences we can only find in individuals for whom religion exists not as a dull habit, but as an acute fever rather. But such individuals are “geniuses” in the religious line; and like many other geniuses who have brought forth fruits effective enough for commemoration in the pages of biography, such religious geniuses have often shown symptoms of nervous instability. Even more perhaps than other kinds of genius, religious leaders have been subject to abnormal psychical visitations. Invariably they have been creatures of exalted emotional sensibility. Often they have led a discordant inner life, and had melancholy during a part of their career. They have known no measure, been liable to obsessions and fixed ideas; and frequently they have fallen into trances, heard voices, seen visions, and presented all sorts of peculiarities which are ordinarily classed as pathological. Often, moreover, these pathological features in their career have helped to give them their religious authority and influence."

The short form of this, is to seek Gnosis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

Are all believers in God automatically idol worshipers? All believers in God are following an entity that they only know by what other people have said about that God. Few, if any, know their God from apotheosis or first-hand information. That fact makes whoever that God is, an idol. It must be so, as what is believed is not a known or real entity. Believers have no real or personal knowledge or experience of their God. All a believer can have is faith in whichever God they are idolizing based on what others have said.

Not in the case of Bob the Baptist and the Church of Ouzo, and I quote from "The Variety of Religious Experience" by William James:
"There can be no doubt that as a matter of fact a religious life, exclusively pursued, does tend to make the person exceptional and eccentric. I speak not now of your ordinary religious believer, who follows the conventional observances of his country, whether it be Buddhist, Christian, or Mohammedan. His religion has been made for him by others, communicated to him by tradition, determined to fixed forms by imitation, and retained by habit. It would profit us little to study this second-hand religious life. We must make search rather for the original experiences which were the pattern-setters to all this mass of suggested feeling and imitated conduct. These experiences we can only find in individuals for whom religion exists not as a dull habit, but as an acute fever rather. But such individuals are “geniuses” in the religious line; and like many other geniuses who have brought forth fruits effective enough for commemoration in the pages of biography, such religious geniuses have often shown symptoms of nervous instability. Even more perhaps than other kinds of genius, religious leaders have been subject to abnormal psychical visitations. Invariably they have been creatures of exalted emotional sensibility. Often they have led a discordant inner life, and had melancholy during a part of their career. They have known no measure, been liable to obsessions and fixed ideas; and frequently they have fallen into trances, heard voices, seen visions, and presented all sorts of peculiarities which are ordinarily classed as pathological. Often, moreover, these pathological features in their career have helped to give them their religious authority and influence."

The short form of this, is to seek Gnosis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

Regards
DL

I don't think you can successfully seek spiritual knowledge, it either comes to you or it doesn't.

[Greatest I am]

The short form of this, is to seek Gnosis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QI3nlinYQ

Regards
DL

I don't think you can successfully seek spiritual knowledge, it either comes to you or it doesn't.[/quote]

Spoken like one without Gnosis.
Try looking within yourself. You have more potential than you think.

Regards
DL

[bobevenson]

I don't think you can successfully seek spiritual knowledge, it either comes to you or it doesn't.

Try looking within yourself. You have more potential than you think.
Regards
DL

Following a roadmap of mystical events doesn't make me a cartographer.

[Greatest I am]

I don't think you can successfully seek spiritual knowledge, it either comes to you or it doesn't.

Try looking within yourself. You have more potential than you think.
Regards
DL

Following a roadmap of mystical events doesn't make me a cartographer.

True but if you never study a map, you can't even get out of town.

Regards
DL

[Philosophy Explorer]

I don't think you can successfully seek spiritual knowledge, it either comes to you or it doesn't.

Try looking within yourself. You have more potential than you think.
Regards
DL

Following a roadmap of mystical events doesn't make me a cartographer.

A road map nor a compass will get you closer to the truth either.

PhilX