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I dont think so, but the doc would know better.marjoram_blues wrote:Is discovering God the same as knowing God?thedoc wrote:Before you discovered God you chopped wood and washed your dishes. After you discovered God you chopped wood and washed your dishes.sthitapragya wrote: What changed in real life after you found God?
Of course we don't. So you tell us what changed after you knew god that made you think it was worth it.attofishpi wrote:....none of you KNOW God.
Well, there are few guys who claim to know him here. But they are conspicuous by their absence.attofishpi wrote:Of course. I know, i've yet to meet even a priest that knows.Lacewing wrote:Is there a reason your statement uses the word "you" rather than "us"?attofishpi wrote:....none of you KNOW God.
Ah he is back. Reflex claims to know God. But he has been avoiding the op so far.Reflex wrote:Entertaining, no?thedoc wrote: You are really demonstrating your ignorance of Zen, "Those who know, don't say, those who say, don't know ". - (Zen saying.)
Sheesh. That would give me reason to put a loaded gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.surreptitious57 wrote: Becoming an atheist led to an interest in science and philosophy. Becoming socially isolated led to a reduction in anger. Becoming old led to an acceptance of both physical reality and death. All of this has been slowly and simultaneously happening to me which has resulted in a real and consistent peace of mind. I now see myself as an observer of life and the human condition rather than a participant in it. The detachment lets
me understand that I am just passing through and while nothing truly matters in the grand scheme of things one still needs something to do to
pass the time. And while this is nihilism it is a positive type. Since one gets to choose what meaning to give ones own life [ mine is knowledge acquisition ] instead of it being decided for one by someone else. And that is it with regard to what happened to me after I stopped believing
You still have to tell us how knowing God changed you. We think it made you supercilious and you got some serious rage issues too. Your dislike for everyone including yourself has increased as have your insecurities and ED. would you agree with this assessment?Reflex wrote:Sheesh. That would give me reason to put a loaded gun in my mouth and pull the trigger.surreptitious57 wrote: Becoming an atheist led to an interest in science and philosophy. Becoming socially isolated led to a reduction in anger. Becoming old led to an acceptance of both physical reality and death. All of this has been slowly and simultaneously happening to me which has resulted in a real and consistent peace of mind. I now see myself as an observer of life and the human condition rather than a participant in it. The detachment lets
me understand that I am just passing through and while nothing truly matters in the grand scheme of things one still needs something to do to
pass the time. And while this is nihilism it is a positive type. Since one gets to choose what meaning to give ones own life [ mine is knowledge acquisition ] instead of it being decided for one by someone else. And that is it with regard to what happened to me after I stopped believing
Hey! I'm right here ya know.sthitapragya wrote: Well, there are few guys who claim to know him here. But they are conspicuous by their absence.
Becoming an atheist is not a prerequisite to doing science or philosophy, there are plenty of religious people who have done both.surreptitious57 wrote: Becoming an atheist led to an interest in science and philosophy.
Becoming socially isolated led to a reduction in anger.
Becoming old led to an acceptance of both physical reality and death.
All of this has been slowly and simultaneously happening to me which has resulted in a real and consistent peace of mind. I now see myself as an observer of life and the human condition rather than a participant in it. The detachment lets me understand that I am just passing through and while nothing truly matters in the grand scheme of things one still needs something to do to pass the time. And while this is nihilism it is a positive type. Since one gets to choose what meaning to give ones own life [ mine is knowledge acquisition ] instead of it being decided for one by someone else. And that is it with regard to what happened to me after I stopped believing
I very much relate to both of your last two posts. To find freedom for one's state of mind feels unlike anything else I have known. Acceptance and letting go. No drugs... no god... all is naturally connected and flowing. A wonderous and fulfilling way to pass through this space, demanding nothing of it.surreptitious57 wrote: All of this has been slowly and simultaneously happening to me which has resulted in a real and consistent peace of mind.
Why? Is God something apart from your true self?sthitapragya wrote:How could I know? Its God. There must be something special that happens.marjoram_blues wrote:What would you expect to change in real life?sthitapragya wrote:Did it make you a better person? Calmer? More at peace? Did it give you the ability to love all mankind? Did it make you healthier? Did it make you richer? Did it improve your relationships with people? Did it take away your anger? Did it take away your anxieties? Did you develop skills? Did it make you more focused? Did it give you extra strength? More tenacity? Did it take away your frustrations? Do people respond better to you now? Did it make you more attractive to people? Did you get promotions you did not expect? Did it make you more successful? Does food taste better now? Does music mean more to you now? Do you appreciate your fellow men and women more now? Do you think of all men as being equal now?
What changed in real life after you found God?
I have no idea what you think God is. There are too many of you, each with a different version of Him. I don't believe in Him. But if knowing Him did not change anything, what's the big deal in knowing Him? Nothing changes. There is no difference between you knowing God and me not knowing God.Reflex wrote: Why? Is God something apart from your true self?
Everything changes, yet nothing changes: ecstasy, then the laundry.sthitapragya wrote:I have no idea what you think God is. There are too many of you, each with a different version of Him. I don't believe in Him. But if knowing Him did not change anything, what's the big deal in knowing Him? Nothing changes. There is no difference between you knowing God and me not knowing God.Reflex wrote: Why? Is God something apart from your true self?
Well, if nothing changes, I can do without everything changing. However, I don't understand why you think there should be different conceptions of God even if there is only one of Him.Reflex wrote: Everything changes, yet nothing changes: ecstasy, then the laundry.
I wasn't kidding in my response to what surreptitious57 wrote.
Of course there are different conceptions of God. It's stupid to think it can be otherwise.
Are you telling me you never considered what the relationship between the infinite and the finite must entail?sthitapragya wrote:Well, if nothing changes, I can do without everything changing. However, I don't understand why you think there should be different conceptions of God even if there is only one of Him.Reflex wrote: Everything changes, yet nothing changes: ecstasy, then the laundry.
I wasn't kidding in my response to what surreptitious57 wrote.
Of course there are different conceptions of God. It's stupid to think it can be otherwise.
Nope. Why should I? As you guys seem to suggest, other than the fact that you considered the relationship, nothing changed. You didn't gain anything other than some knowledge which could very well be a figment of ancient people's imaginations passed down from generation to generation.Reflex wrote:Are you telling me you never considered what the relationship between the infinite and the finite must entail?sthitapragya wrote:Well, if nothing changes, I can do without everything changing. However, I don't understand why you think there should be different conceptions of God even if there is only one of Him.Reflex wrote: Everything changes, yet nothing changes: ecstasy, then the laundry.
I wasn't kidding in my response to what surreptitious57 wrote.
Of course there are different conceptions of God. It's stupid to think it can be otherwise.
