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thedoc wrote: Unless the Creator is a human construct, then it is the topic.

The creator IS a human construct, doc, and this is a matter of historical record because the name of the bloke who created the creator is known, as well as an approximate date for his creation. In the entire anthropological record monotheism was only ever invented ONCE and it was the brainchild of an Egyptian pharaoh named Amenhotep IV, who later changed his name to Akhenaten on the advice of a shrewd PR agent.

manden wrote:What a incredible nonsense !
Do you always believe human nonsense ?

Yes, it is the only nonsense that makes sense.

Your alien fiction certainly makes no sense.

Obvious Leo wrote: The creator IS a human construct, doc, and this is a matter of historical record because the name of the bloke who created the creator is known, as well as an approximate date for his creation. In the entire anthropological record monotheism was only ever invented ONCE and it was the brainchild of an Egyptian pharaoh named Amenhotep IV, who later changed his name to Akhenaten on the advice of a shrewd PR agent.

I've seen this before, and I read about Amenhotep IV before but I can't quote the details without referring to the book.

thedoc wrote:

Obvious Leo wrote: The creator IS a human construct, doc, and this is a matter of historical record because the name of the bloke who created the creator is known, as well as an approximate date for his creation. In the entire anthropological record monotheism was only ever invented ONCE and it was the brainchild of an Egyptian pharaoh named Amenhotep IV, who later changed his name to Akhenaten on the advice of a shrewd PR agent.

I've seen this before, and I read about Amenhotep IV before but I can't quote the details without referring to the book.

He was the inventor of monotheism and he was a fruitloop of impressive calibre, even by the lofty standards of Egyptian inbred royalty. His nutty new religion never really caught on with his own people but it captured the hearts and minds of a minority population of Judeans who were living in Egypt at the time. They had been kicked out of their native lands some centuries earlier but under the leadership of two blokes called Moses and Joshua they eventually marched back across the Sinai and reclaimed their ancestral territory, slaughtering every man, woman and child who had taken up residence there in the meantime. Their monogod was a bloodthirsty bastard and by all accounts he was so well pleased with their thoroughness that murdering anybody who didn't believe in him became something of a sport which is still very popular in the present day.

Obvious Leo wrote: Their monogod was a bloodthirsty bastard and by all accounts he was so well pleased with their thoroughness that murdering anybody who didn't believe in him became something of a sport which is still very popular in the present day.

I've heard this before and I believe that the god of Islam has taken up that activity with the Islamic fundamentalists.

thedoc wrote:I've heard this before and I believe that the god of Islam has taken up that activity with the Islamic fundamentalists.

They certainly seem to be honouring the tradition with great enthusiasm at the moment but the Christians can also be very proud of their own efforts in the past. Since Akhenaten's time countless millions of human lives have been needlessly wasted but the important point is that the Jews, Christians and Islamists all swear their allegiance to the same god as the one which the Judeans originally stole from the Egyptians.

"Those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it".....George Santayana.

Obvious Leo wrote: "Those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat it".....George Santayana.

I'm doing the best I can, but it's hard to get anyone to listen to a B.O.F.

thedoc wrote:

manden wrote:What a incredible nonsense !
Do you always believe human nonsense ?

Yes, it is the only nonsense that makes sense.

Your alien fiction certainly makes no sense.

I know that this corrupt and ill mankind cannot grasp the truth .

The real creator of the universe has made it so , that only a man , who can reach a certain " human - moral " level - of course according to

his measure - can recognize his existence and step by step the recognizable truth about him ( it is not direct so , but that is what I can

recognize ) . Perhaps it can help somebody of you a little to come forward ( in direction to th true God ) .

Manden. Either say something interesting or piss off.

Sorry , no substance .

manden wrote:Sorry , no substance .

So I noticed.

manden wrote:All what exists , must have been created .

But you here have very big problems with simple things .

You cannot ( or want not or too lazy ) to think exactly (simply) logically .

Does 'God' exist, then 'it' must have been created?

Arising_uk wrote:

manden wrote:All what exists , must have been created .

But you here have very big problems with simple things .

You cannot ( or want not or too lazy ) to think exactly (simply) logically .

Does 'God' exist, then 'it' must have been created?

Don't try and confuse him by pointing out his own logical fallacy, Arising. You'll spoil his cadence.

Arising , can't you answer that yourself ?

The real creator of the universe has an unimaginable superior logic and power - he could create the universe .

And from an unimaginable superior logic we cannot say anything ! What is possible .

manden wrote: And from an unimaginable superior logic we cannot say anything

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As you have ably demonstrated.