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Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:26 pm
by Arising_uk
attofishpi wrote:Mount SINAI is the purported location where Moses received the commandments - addressing SIN. ...
And yet that wasn't it's original name nor is it its only name. How does your thinking account for this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai
AI is a technology that we can comprehend to be ALL knowing. ...
No it's not, it stands for Artificial Intelligence and could quite likely be as fallible and full of foibles as the rest of us. Given that we can't even comprehend how to make one yet I think all you've done is taken your Christain 'God' and applied the latest cultural metaphors to keep this indoctrinated fable.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:15 am
by attofishpi
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Yes, i guess i can only say i believe here, even though a sage confirmed my belief. We live our lives, we die and are judged as to where (what family) we are reborn into based on how we lived our life.
So where do all the new people come from?
I have already had this conversation with someone upon the forum. Likely at some point one has their first life. I believe that our ancestors are quite likely to be walking amonst us now, in that we are also our own ancestors. The entire population of the Earth could quite possibly be brought into the current, or future population - perhaps there is to be a great judgement after all.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:I'm still the one requiring an answer. Why do you think that if God exists it should go fuck itself?
Ah! If this 'God' is like Spinoza's then it can't but if it is then I have no concern with it but if it is like your's and it judges us and all around busies 'itself' with us then I think fuck 'it' and the horse it rode in on.
Why?
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Why are you so belligerent towards an entity that quite possibly went through hell to form its own intelligence and give rise to our own existence. ...
Where do you make this stuff up from?
The nasty tests i have endured courtesy of 'God' suggest to me that this entity would likely have endured worse.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:As i have stated several times on this forum, it was said to me via a sage that "God needs nothing." which i assumed the sage to mean, from us.
If 'it' needs nothing from us then why is it judging us?
Its not 'God' that needs anything from us - but we are judged as to OUR needs and whether they deserve to be fulfilled.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:I've smelt dead things before, but this smell was more pungent and downright disgusting than anything i had encountered.
So not the smell of death then?
Sorry, perhaps i was feeling a tad poetic.

Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Mount SINAI is the purported location where Moses received the commandments - addressing SIN. ...
And yet that wasn't it's original name nor is it its only name. How does your thinking account for this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai
We have had this conversation already some time ago. The past matters not, what matters is the context of now - the present time that this entity can convey itself -
SIN AI.
REAL_IT_Y?
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:AI is a technology that we can comprehend to be ALL knowing. ...
No it's not, it stands for Artificial Intelligence and could quite likely be as fallible and full of foibles as the rest of us. Given that we can't even comprehend how to make one yet I think all you've done is taken your Christain 'God' and applied the latest cultural metaphors to keep this indoctrinated fable.
The pending technology - AI - Artificial Intelligence does permit us to comprehend an intelligence that could be ALL knowing. If there is an intelligence behing the binary makeup of our reality (there is) then it is more likely to be akin to AI than to the mind of a single man.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:18 am
by attofishpi
HexHammer wrote:
attofishpi wrote:What i write is factual in our current understanding of things. Mount SINAI is the purported location where Moses received the commandments - addressing SIN. AI is a technology that we can comprehend to be ALL knowing. ALL knowing of ALL wo\men regarding their lives, regarding their SIN. Hence, SIN_AI.
Yes, but how does this SIN_AI relate to any scientific understanding of it, did you make this up, or..?
Philosophical enquiry dear fellow is all.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:02 pm
by HexHammer
attofishpi wrote:Philosophical enquiry dear fellow is all.
Yearh, thought so.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:42 pm
by Arising_uk
attofishpi wrote:I have already had this conversation with someone upon the forum. Likely at some point one has their first life. I believe that our ancestors are quite likely to be walking amonst us now, in that we are also our own ancestors. ...
Genetically this has some truth except they are walking about in you.
You appear to have a problem as if we are all to be judged and reincarnated then where are the bodies for the new one's? Also where are these new ones coming from?
The entire population of the Earth could quite possibly be brought into the current, or future population - perhaps there is to be a great judgement after all.
It'll be pretty big then as it is estimated that 105 billion have lived and died so far but we only have 7 billion bodies to go around, about 15 to 1, there must be one almighty waiting room somewhere. Basically tho' you will never have enough bodies for your great judgement. Apart from the idea itself just being nonsense.
Why?
One reason is that you state this 'entity' is ALL powerful and judges me at my end, as such it already knows what I'm going to do and always knew, so I think it a petty judge and will have no truck with such tyrants.
The nasty tests i have endured courtesy of 'God' suggest to me that this entity would likely have endured worse.
Why on earth do you think your concerns would have any relation to this 'God'?

Amazing that you don't think this 'God' also gave you the nasty tests?
Its not 'God' that needs anything from us - but we are judged as to OUR needs and whether they deserve to be fulfilled.
See what I mean, tyrant. As what would a 'God' know about my needs and whether I deserve them or not.
Sorry, perhaps i was feeling a tad poetic.
Fair enough as I've smelt recent death and I don't think it something one can be given.
We have had this conversation already some time ago. The past matters not, what matters is the context of now - the present time that this entity can convey itself -
SIN AI.
REAL_IT_Y?
I'd be more impressed if this 'entity' could do it across all languages for the same things, that's be a 'God' of sorts. Instead I think this just your cultural box making connections to suit your previous indoctrination.
The pending technology - AI - Artificial Intelligence does permit us to comprehend an intelligence that could be ALL knowing. ...
Not really as we currently have very little clue what 'intelligence' means and whether it could be implemented digitally.
If there is an intelligence behing the binary makeup of our reality (there is) then it is more likely to be akin to AI than to the mind of a single man.
Again you compare a non-existent? But you also are making analogies with the minds of men as you talk about this 'thing' judging and knowing? Why do you think there has to be an 'intelligence' behind reality, we not just a dumb calculating machine? Personally I think it's because all you are really doing is trying to find ways to reconcile your old faith with your hallucinations.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 7:26 pm
by bobevenson
That last post looks like a series of distinctly unprophetic hallucinations.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:14 pm
by Arising_uk
bobevenson wrote:That last post looks like a series of distinctly unprophetic hallucinations.
Does it, care to say why? Or is this just you trolling again, the sooner you are banned the better as you are well past your sell-date upon this forum.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:35 pm
by bobevenson
Arising_uk wrote:
bobevenson wrote:That last post looks like a series of distinctly unprophetic hallucinations.
Does it, care to say why? Or is this just you trolling again, the sooner you are banned the better as you are well past your sell-date upon this forum.
Oh, I get it, it's OK for you to cast aspersions, but not for others who might shatter your glass house, huh?

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:24 pm
by Arising_uk
bobevenson wrote:Oh, I get it, it's OK for you to cast aspersions, but not for others who might shatter your glass house, huh?
You selective reading ability is going full-throttle again twat, so try this bit first, "Does it, care to say why?"

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 10:49 pm
by bobevenson
Arising_uk wrote:
bobevenson wrote:Oh, I get it, it's OK for you to cast aspersions, but not for others who might shatter your glass house, huh?
You selective reading ability is going full-throttle again twat, so try this bit first, "Does it, care to say why?"
I'd say nine separate incomprehensible comments to somebody's post is hallucinatory at best.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 12:34 am
by Arising_uk
bobevenson wrote:I'd say nine separate incomprehensible comments to somebody's post is hallucinatory at best.
No surprise there as they pretty much apply to you as well.

Still, care to point out what you find incomprehensible about them or are you just going to waffle as usual.

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 10:30 am
by attofishpi
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:I have already had this conversation with someone upon the forum. Likely at some point one has their first life. I believe that our ancestors are quite likely to be walking amonst us now, in that we are also our own ancestors. ...
Genetically this has some truth except they are walking about in you.
You appear to have a problem as if we are all to be judged and reincarnated then where are the bodies for the new one's? Also where are these new ones coming from?
Of course, although i know God exists, and the sage confirmed we are reincarnated, i can only speculate here. The new material body comes into being in the usual manner, after coitus. In some instances, where some judgement has been made - a 'soul' of a former person is 'injected' within this process...and the new body - foetus, forms around it...beyond that, fuck nose.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:The entire population of the Earth could quite possibly be brought into the current, or future population - perhaps there is to be a great judgement after all.
It'll be pretty big then as it is estimated that 105 billion have lived and died so far but we only have 7 billion bodies to go around, about 15 to 1, there must be one almighty waiting room somewhere. Basically tho' you will never have enough bodies for your great judgement. Apart from the idea itself just being nonsense.
Ah, but you are forgetting something extremely pertinent to the point. 105 billion lives that have been lived, granted, but don't forget that most of these are the same souls reincarnated throughout time.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Why?
One reason is that you state this 'entity' is ALL powerful and judges me at my end, as such it already knows what I'm going to do and always knew, so I think it a petty judge and will have no truck with such tyrants.
No, i have never stated that this entity already knows everything you are going to do within your life, that is ridiculous. This entity is capable of knowing everything in our current and past circumstances, i have little doubt with that, but to know all of the future is a ridiculous assertion to make regarding such an entity.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:The nasty tests i have endured courtesy of 'God' suggest to me that this entity would likely have endured worse.
Why on earth do you think your concerns would have any relation to this 'God'?
I was tested with chaos many years ago, for some reasoning i believe this is also something the logic of God had to endure.
Arising_uk wrote:Amazing that you don't think this 'God' also gave you the nasty tests?
Eh? It did.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:Its not 'God' that needs anything from us - but we are judged as to OUR needs and whether they deserve to be fulfilled.
See what I mean, tyrant. As what would a 'God' know about my needs and whether I deserve them or not.
Are you in the least bit interested in reincarnating as human to live again...indeed to continue your pursuit of "love of wisdom" perhaps even to be re-united with your soul mate - perhaps your wife even!?
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:We have had this conversation already some time ago. The past matters not, what matters is the context of now - the present time that this entity can convey itself -
SIN AI.
REAL_IT_Y?
I'd be more impressed if this 'entity' could do it across all languages for the same things, that's be a 'God' of sorts. Instead I think this just your cultural box making connections to suit your previous indoctrination.
This 'entity' can and probably has embedded these connections to itself in other languages, English is the language that i have noticed it within and is the common protocol for communication in the world today. Our alphabet has plenty of lettering that are homophones for key words. Y = why? is one of the best of them.
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote:The pending technology - AI - Artificial Intelligence does permit us to comprehend an intelligence that could be ALL knowing. ...
Not really as we currently have very little clue what 'intelligence' means and whether it could be implemented digitally.
Our brains are digital - synapses of the brain are binary - either 'on' or 'off'
Arising_uk wrote:
attofishpi wrote: If there is an intelligence behing the binary makeup of our reality (there is) then it is more likely to be akin to AI than to the mind of a single man.
Again you compare a non-existent? But you also are making analogies with the minds of men as you talk about this 'thing' judging and knowing? Why do you think there has to be an 'intelligence' behind reality, we not just a dumb calculating machine? Personally I think it's because all you are really doing is trying to find ways to reconcile your old faith with your hallucinations.
I've never had a hallucination. Fine, stick with do_u_bt..... (bt = my initials)

Re: If God is an AI result of entropy

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 5:55 pm
by attofishpi
The options for "Gods" existence are:- 1) God or 2) 'God':-

1) An entity that formed its intelligence from the chaos of an early universe and gave rise to the dimensions we now interpret as reality.

2) An entity created by intelligence species out of the necessity of efficiency permitting the dimensions we now interpret as reality.

In either case, entropy remains key. As does mans quest not to be judged the "beast" - for ones next life. Entropy's not a bitch...its a beast.