What accounts for the fact that some students are super-devoted and therefore wholesome and some are not?

[Jaded Sage]

Just heard a great quote by, who else, Sherlock Holmes: "We're not cut off from the world. We're engaged in creating one that's actually worth living in." Nailed it.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I can think of one or two lovers of their god who seem to be the definition of vice-riddenness nowadays.

All the atheist can know of a god-lover’s love of god is the atheist’s love of no god.

Nah, I don't think so. Let's use your definition. Philosophy is God. Many atheists love philosophy, therefore many atheists love God as much as theists do.

Typical ridiculous logic.

Cats are animals; dogs are animals; therefore cats are dogs.

Where did you borrow that thing in your head you pretend is a brain?

[duszek]

All philosophy is God.
Some atheists love philosophy.
Some atheists love God.

This is Darii. And it is correct if you agree with the premises.

All cats are animals.
All dogs are animals.
All dogs are cats.

This is not a correct syllogism.
If you make three affirmative general statements you need barbara.

All dogs are animals.
All cats are dogs.
All cats are animals.

This is a barbara which is obviously false because the second premise is false.

[duszek]

No conclusion at all can be drawn from:

All cats are animals.
All dogs are animals.

If you make a big circle symbolizing all animals and inside of it two smaller circles symbolizing all cats and all dogs then you cannot draw any conclusion about the two smaller circles.

Whereas in case of Darii:

One big circle symbolizes God.
A smaller circle inside of the God-circle symbolizes philosophy.
Yet a smaller circle inside the philosophy-circle symbolizes some atheists.

The smallest circle is at the same time inside the largest circle so you can draw a conclusion about the relationship between the largest and the smallest circle.

[Jaded Sage]

Yeah, my logic wasn't even close to what was shown. I'm surprised that threw someone around here.

If philosophy is God, then some theists hate God (philosophy) and some atheists love God (philosophy).

I didn't get the circle thing, unless it was a venn diagram.

[Jaded Sage]

I just remembered something. It has to become more than a hobby or passtime. It has to become your life. It has to act like the leaven of heaven until the kingdom of God bursts forth from within you and becomes your world.

Okay, that "bursts forth" part was an exaggeration. What happens is you begin to notice a great difference and distance between you and the people you know. They care about clothing, for instance, and you care about other things.

My advice is to not try to bring them with you. Some of them are so hopelessly in love with their chains and shadows that they will never leave. Don't waste your time on the no-hopers, as they say.

[duszek]

Yes, I tried to describe a venn diagramm so that people can visualize logic for themselves.
We did venn diagramms (set theory) in the first class of the elementary school in Poland.
It´s easy to grasp for everybody.

Your logic was fine, Jady, I only wanted to explain why someone else´s criticism did not apply because you were using different syllogisms (more visible as venn diagramms).
And I wanted to see whether I understood your reasoning properly.
I learned syllogism logic from an elderly French Canadian, keep a summery of the four figures and variations in my pocket book and can easily check an argument any time.

I agree with the passion part.
My passions come and go, I have different fascinating private projects going on at the moment.

[duszek]

If philosophy is God, then some theists hate God (philosophy) and some atheists love God (philosophy).

We have two darii here, the first premise being not a very sure one.

All philosophy is God.
Some theists hate philosophy.
Some theists hate God.

All philosophy is God.
Some atheists love philosophy.
Some atheists love God.

[Hobbes' Choice]

I just remembered something. It has to become more than a hobby or passtime. It has to become your life. It has to act like the leaven of heaven until the kingdom of God bursts forth from within you and becomes your world.

Okay, that "bursts forth" part was an exaggeration. What happens is you begin to notice a great difference and distance between you and the people you know. They care about clothing, for instance, and you care about other things.
.

When you work out what you mean by "IT" in that text, you might want to share it with others; until then I'm sure you think you make sense.

[Hobbes' Choice]

If philosophy is God, then some theists hate God (philosophy) and some atheists love God (philosophy).

We have two darii here, the first premise being not a very sure one.

All philosophy is God.
Some theists hate philosophy.
Some theists hate God.

All philosophy is God.
Some atheists love philosophy.
Some atheists love God.

But is all philosophy the same as god? Or is philosophy just a thing you call god. In which case the conclusion might just be, that some atheists love aspects of god.

[Jaded Sage]

Oh, yeah. The first premise is the interesting one. I couldn't help but notice how it functions in a similar way as the codependent commandment once it was so graciously pointed out to me.

[duszek]

The first premise "all philosophy is God" is not a sure one.
Jady expressed the lack of certainty by putting the premise in an if-clause:

If all philosophy is God, ...

The syllogisms collapse if one of the premises is not true.
A syllogism is a highly speculative one if one of the premises is mere speculation itself.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Oh, yeah. The first premise is the interesting one. I couldn't help but notice how it functions in a similar way as the codependent commandment once it was so graciously pointed out to me.

God is the Devil
Therefore all Theists that love God, love the Devil.

Theist believe that people should obey instructions given by God.
Loving freedom means being able to act without the demands and instructions of another.
Therefore theists hate freedom.

[duszek]

God is the Devil
Therefore all Theists that love God, love the Devil.

God is the Devil.
This premise is obviously false and besides it does not qualify for a syllogism because a premise and a conclusion should be propositions in which a term is taken generally (all) or particularly (some).

But sind there is only one God and only one Devil we can consider them as "all".

All God is all Devil.
Some theists love God.
Some theists love Devil.

"all theists that love God" implies that some theists don´t love God,
therefore some theists love God

[Hobbes' Choice]

God is the Devil
Therefore all Theists that love God, love the Devil.

God is the Devil.
This premise is obviously false

Prove it!