Multiverse!

[raw_thought]

So you are actually saying that plank's constant was not 6.62607004 X10(-34) m(2) Kg/s but then the universe changed plank's constant in order to create life??????

[Obvious Leo]

Are you saying that Planck's constant is a property of the universe rather than a property of one particular model of the universe?

Prove it.

[Obvious Leo]

This is the most fundamentalist of logical positivist positions where you mistake the map for the territory and it demonstrates that you don't know your epistemological arse from your ontological elbow. You might get away with it in a physics forum populated by philosophical neophytes but you'll never get away with it here. Any Logic 101 undergraduate could drive a semi-trailer through your arguments sideways.

[raw_thought]

Planks constant is a property of thd universe. It is the smallest possible distance. Every physicist knows this.
At best you are playing word games.
For example, you may say that miles is a human invention. I agree! However, that does not mean that when I say that my work is 5 miles from my home I am not describing an objective reality.

[raw_thought]

Planks constant is a property of the universe. No philosopher or physicist disageees with that. Now you may play semantic games and say that 6.62607004X10(-34) m(2)Kg/s is only an ink pattern, a human invention. That is silly. Words describe reality. If they do not then everything you have said has nothing to do with reality. Well actually, that is probably true!

[Obvious Leo]

Are you saying that Planck's constant is a property of the universe rather than a property of one particular model of the universe?

Prove it.

[raw_thought]

I have to keep repeating myself!
Planks constant is the smallest possible distance. That is a property of the universe.
Of course a model is not the reality it represents. However, that does not mean that it does not describe reality. To say otherwise is like saying that a photograph does not show us reality. When a person shows me a photograph of their baby, I then know what the actual baby looks like.

[raw_thought]

Anyway, I got to go. Wife complaining. Can you believe it??!!! She thinks she is more important then a silly Internet debate!!! Whats up with that???
I'll be back! tomorrow

[Obvious Leo]

Planks constant is the smallest possible distance.

The smallest possible distance between what and what?

[raw_thought]

Do you realize that when you say that space is not real,that means that distance is not real? That means that the statement " I work 5 miles from my home " is meaningless. That is silly.
Your last post is silly. You are confusing catagories. Level confusion. It is like asking," well you believe in distance. Tell me how far distance is."
Or, you believe in dogs? Show me a dog. I then show you a dog. You say," I was asking for the universal dog,not a particular dog.." That is silly.

[raw_thought]

Anyway back to the multiverse!
Suppose I said that either our fantastically sophisticated bodies were designed by God OR by a natural process. Isn't that obvious?
Similarly, since a multiverse is the only natural explanation as to why the constants in our universe are so perfectly suited for life, doesn't it follow that the only other explanation is supernatural (God)?
In other words it is obvious that if there is no multiverse, there must be a God. I tend to go with multiverse. However, there is no way I know for sure!

[raw_thought]

Or if there is no God there must be a multiverse.

[Obvious Leo]

Suppose I said that either our fantastically sophisticated bodies were designed by God OR by a natural process.

This statement is an oxymoron. "designed by" a natural process has no meaning.

[raw_thought]

Semantics. You knew what I meant. Biologists use that terminology as short hand all the time. For example they will say, a giraffe evolved a long neck to get leaves from higher trees.
I can imagine the looks you would get from the biologists when you accuse them of implying intelligent design! Simply, put it is understood that the giraffe's neck was not designed with a blueprint. However, to state what everyone takes for granted is cumbersome and makes what can be expressed in a sentence be expressed in a paragraph.

[raw_thought]

Scott Mayers just came up with the perfect analogy. The odds of me winning the lottery is tiny. However, the odds that someone will win the lottery is great. Similarly the odds of one universe having constants suitable for life is tiny. However, if there are trillions of universes the odds that one of them will have constants suitable for life is great.