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Ned wrote:OK, it's time to look elsewhere for an enjoyable forum.

I will look in again in a year or two.

Have fun!

See ya around, if you find a good civil forum, let me know. PM if you don't want everyone else to follow.

thedoc wrote:

henry quirk wrote:My bastardry knows no bounds...

Hello Henry, hows the nephew, he should be in 2nd or 3rd grade by now? Both my grandkids are in school or at their dad's, so I see them a lot less since this fall.

*shrug* (from Henry).

People who express hatred all the time and hardly anything else might be good at doing only this: expressing hatred.
Expressing hatred is the only thing they are good at (or they think they are good at).

Or they could just have developed a habit of expressing hatred and habits are difficult to change.

Or they have never felt liked by anyone and they want at least to be hated. Indifference being an even worse option for them.

duszek wrote:People who express hatred all the time and hardly anything else might be good at doing only this: expressing hatred.
Expressing hatred is the only thing they are good at (or they think they are good at).

Or they could just have developed a habit of expressing hatred and habits are difficult to change.

Or they have never felt liked by anyone and they want at least to be hated. Indifference being an even worse option for them.

Of course you're right, duszek, but this is a forum, I mean this is a place where people come for any kind of reason. Maybe they feel frustrated in real life, at work, and they use this or any other forum as a relief valve, and that could be a good for them. Perhaps they need to let off some steam here rather than in their family or in society, but I think it is worse to be upset just for this, life is a struggle, eventually. If you get upset just for some people expressing hatred on a forum, what could you do in real life? Will you create an ignore list also in real life? I would really really like to put Italian revenue department on my ignore list, but I wouldn't resolve any problem. Whoever feels offended for this insignificant things is not able to stay in society. My opinion.
On the other hand there are mods, they know when and how to solve these kind of debates, I think. They blocked Blaggard who was quite offensive, but very clever, I never felt offended by him, even if sometimes he went down on me very badly. Ignoring will get you ignored, and if any fuck you, you fuck them. Obliging never helped wisdom.

I real life we have to behave ourselves, Davide, sí.

MA:

I don´t think that a valve helps in the long run. It can be the other way round: you get used to bad feelings about something or some people or the human race in general and then, like Pavlov´s dog, you throw yourself into a mindless rage every time the singnal comes.

Doc,

Third, and doin' great.

Does it grind at you that you see the kids less? I'd be nuthin' but metal shavings if I had to endure that.

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centerforinquiry: will check it out presently.

"*shrug* (from Henry)."

Nope. I actually like Doc, so he'll never get just a shrug from me.

duszek wrote:I real life we have to behave ourselves, Davide, sí.

MA:

I don´t think that a valve helps in the long run. It can be the other way round: you get used to bad feelings about something or some people or the human race in general and then, like Pavlov´s dog, you throw yourself into a mindless rage every time the singnal comes.

That could be, yes. But, for example, I hate people screaming and shouting, but I would never think to put them in an ignoring list; for me, that could be their way of being, and I accept them. I am full of lacks, and I know what means being labelled or listed.

Ned wrote:They froth at the mouth, they spew out insults, obscenities, as many foul words as they can jam into a sentence, and all this without using a single argument or to intelligently reply to those already presented to them.

It is simple, mindless hatred, without a scrap of rational thought behind it.

I always find this spectacle disturbing because I like to understand things and this is beyond me.

Can anyone explain to me what makes people like this tick?

What happened to their reasoning brain?

Hi again Ned,
People in my experience slip into "frothing at the mouth" hatred when they are threatened by someone or something. Daniel Goleman, scientist and author of emotional intelligence calls this an emotional highjacking and talks about the neurology of this phenomenon in his book. Recommended Basically our amygdala, which controls fight or flight action takes over and the frontal lobes go byebye. Happily developing self awareness erodes this experiece.

Ned wrote:OK, it's time to look elsewhere for an enjoyable forum.

I will look in again in a year or two.

Have fun!

How about people here who have never been impolite towards you ?
Are you dumping them too ? As collateral damage ?

It would be like visiting a nice city like Oxford or Winchester and upon seeing a dog´s turd in the street deciding never to come to this city again.

A person filled with mindless hatred is someone to practise with if someone wants to become a social worker but is undecided yet. We can try several lines of conduct and see what happens. If we cannot bear it at all we can just avert our eyes and focus on the flowers.

(It was not "royal we", I wanted to avoid "you" as too impertinent and "one" as too dry.)

So I suggest that the best is to join and stay and unite against the forces of evil !

Best of
Do Sheck

duszek wrote:

Ned wrote:OK, it's time to look elsewhere for an enjoyable forum.

I will look in again in a year or two.

Have fun!

How about people here who have never been impolite towards you ?
Are you dumping them too ? As collateral damage ?

It would be like visiting a nice city like Oxford or Winchester and upon seeing a dog´s turd in the street deciding never to come to this city again.

A person filled with mindless hatred is someone to practise with if someone wants to become a social worker but is undecided yet. We can try several lines of conduct and see what happens. If we cannot bear it at all we can just avert our eyes and focus on the flowers.

(It was not "royal we", I wanted to avoid "you" as too impertinent and "one" as too dry.)

So I suggest that the best is to join and stay and unite against the forces of evil !

Best of
Do Sheck

Ned has gone. Just like his previous quick visit in November 2013. Off to greener pastures, or so he said.

duszek wrote:

Ned wrote:OK, it's time to look elsewhere for an enjoyable forum.

I will look in again in a year or two.

Have fun!

How about people here who have never been impolite towards you ?
Are you dumping them too ? As collateral damage ?

It would be like visiting a nice city like Oxford or Winchester and upon seeing a dog´s turd in the street deciding never to come to this city again.

A person filled with mindless hatred is someone to practise with if someone wants to become a social worker but is undecided yet. We can try several lines of conduct and see what happens. If we cannot bear it at all we can just avert our eyes and focus on the flowers.

(It was not "royal we", I wanted to avoid "you" as too impertinent and "one" as too dry.)

So I suggest that the best is to join and stay and unite against the forces of evil !

Best of
Do Sheck

The last few days I have seen posts that convinced me that this forum has enough decent and intelligent people to warrant to stick around a while longer and see what happens. Those on my ignore list will remain there, so don't bother to jeer, I won't see it.

Duszek, you are right with this post and I am looking forward to exchange ideas with you and with those who are willing to reason in a civil way.

I hope someone will discover the "Deepest conviction, Twitter style" thread (in The Lounge) -- it can be a challenging and fun exercise.

More later!

I am glad that you are staying, Ned.

Some time ago I put someone on the ignore because as a reply to one of my new year´s resolutions ("only kind and helpful comments") he said: "why don´t you curl up and die ?".
It was offensive and yet slightly funny too.

Later on I observed that this man took care of a difficult boy, as I he were a social worker or a teacher of some kind. This improved my opinion of him a little bit.

Nobody is all bad.

duszek wrote:Nobody is all bad.

I agree with that.

Actually, I see the problem as two-fold:

1./ There are a hell of a lot more nice people than smart people in the world.

2./ Anonymity can bring the worst out of even the best of us.

It needs a conscious decision to curtail the mean streak that is present in all of us.

I made it a question of pride for myself: "I will not, ever, go down to that level, even in the face of extreme provocation".

Ned wrote:

duszek wrote:Nobody is all bad.

I agree with that.

Actually, I see the problem as two-fold:

1./ There are a hell of a lot more nice people than smart people in the world.

2./ Anonymity can bring the worst out of even the best of us.

It needs a conscious decision to curtail the mean streak that is present in all of us.

I made it a question of pride for myself: "I will not, ever, go down to that level, even in the face of extreme provocation".

Well then you're a better person than I am, I will sometimes descend to a "reply in kind" before using the ignore function.