vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
The boy was twelve, and you obviously think he deserved it, so where do you draw the line? What if he had been eight, or six?
i never said he deserved it
but not waving what looks like a gun would have saved his life
would we be even having this discussion if it were firearm (as opposed to a pellet or bb gun - new sources vary on this)?
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
The boy was twelve, and you obviously think he deserved it, so where do you draw the line? What if he had been eight, or six?
i never said he deserved it
but not waving what looks like a gun would have saved his life
would we be even having this discussion if it were firearm (as opposed to a pellet or bb gun - new sources vary on this)?
I'm done with this. There's no getting through to you morons. Keep making it about those evil 'leftists' (whatever the fuck 'leftists' are) that you yanks are always ranting about. I suspect it means those fools who believe in equal rights, fairness, democracy, no death penalty, no life sentences for shop-lifters, no torture camps, and just generally treating others with consideration and empathy.
And a reminder; one of your first posts on the topic was to say that he should get the Darwin award. That's pretty much saying he deserved it, and your posts since then have been devoted to defending the murder.
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The Police have no control over weapons in your country, maybe you should think about that before...
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Kayla wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
The boy was twelve, and you obviously think he deserved it, so where do you draw the line? What if he had been eight, or six?
i never said he deserved it
but not waving what looks like a gun would have saved his life
would we be even having this discussion if it were firearm (as opposed to a pellet or bb gun - new sources vary on this)?
I'm done with this. There's no getting through to you morons. Keep making it about those evil 'leftists' (whatever the fuck 'leftists' are) that you yanks are always ranting about. I suspect it means those fools who believe in equal rights, fairness, democracy, no death penalty, no life sentences for shop-lifters, no torture camps, and just generally treating others with consideration and empathy.
And a reminder; one of your first posts on the topic was to say that he should get the Darwin award. That's pretty much saying he deserved it, and your posts since then have been devoting to defending the murder.
It's not that you can't get through to morons VT, it's just that there is fuck all intelligence on Earth, and I include myself in that statement. :F
mickthinks wrote:... who expect the police to have psychic powers that enable them to tell whether what looks like a real gun is a real gun or a toy or a bb gun
This is how, without psychic powers, the police can deal with such a situation when they care enough to try to preserve lives rather than terminate them—Man with fake gun disrupts Dutch broadcaster NOS.
The man, smartly dressed and carrying what appeared to be a long pistol, paced around a studio, reportedly demanding airtime. Armed police then stormed into the studio and overpowered him.[emphasis mine]
I don't think American gun wielding children are so much harder to overpower than Dutch adults. Do you?
The point I am making and you are refusing to acknowledge, is that too often police officers in the US shoot and kill unnecessarily, and that's mostly when the people they are dealing with are young and black. There is no excuse for that, and your attempt to provide them with a justification seems to me to be based on your ignorance of the facts. A wilful ignorance which you have then defended with manifestly dishonest obfuscation.
QFT.
No harder to over power than morons, but none the less strong.
Humility I think is not a virtue any human being has ever indulged in. Hubris on the other hand well that is a moot point.
You see I have a genius IQ, well beyond 160 (whatever the fuck that even means), but even I find it hard to learn anything from humanity. I say even I, in humility, but I despite my hubris, was never given the chance to learn by example.
If I ever claim to be part of the human race: shoot me, sadly I am though...
"All of them" is not citing any case, SoB. So may I again put the challenge to you to provide an example to back up your surprising claim that blacks in almost every situation refused to drop the weapon? Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so?
I believe you won't cite any such case because you know of none, and thus your claim is a manifestation of your bias against black citizens.
[The Tamir Rice] video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence.
Time is not at all pixilated or blurry, and it is clear from the video that the boy was shot within two seconds of the police officers' arrival on the scene. No time was allowed for an order to "put the gun down" to be issued, let alone complied with. Opening fire two seconds after arriving on the scene amounts to summary extrajudical execution.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
I'm done with this. There's no getting through to you morons. Keep making it about those evil 'leftists' (whatever the fuck 'leftists' are) that you yanks are always ranting about. I suspect it means those fools who believe in equal rights, fairness, democracy, no death penalty, no life sentences for shop-lifters, no torture camps, and just generally treating others with consideration and empathy.
And a reminder; one of your first posts on the topic was to say that he should get the Darwin award. That's pretty much saying he deserved it, and your posts since then have been devoted to defending the murder.
i was once an an airplane with a bunch of british soccer fans
this was about the level of discourse they were could manage - lots of bluster, insults, overgeneralizations
and then they started drinking and hitting on underage girls
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
And a reminder; one of your first posts on the topic was to say that he should get the Darwin award. That's pretty much saying he deserved it, and your posts since then have been devoted to defending the murder.
not sure how you are making the link between darwin awards and desert
people who do certain types of stupid things - eg riding motorcycles without a helmet, waving BB guns around, injecting iffy qualty heroin - are more likely to die as a consequence. to say that they deserve it is niether here nor there.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
So fuck you and your anti-American charge, you're just an old demented hag! With cobwebs everywhere, especially in your minds eye. There's good and bad everywhere, even in your country. Why look at yourself, people guilty before innocent, just because of what continent they happen to be living on. Talk about prejudice, sheesh!
I guess the truth hurts. You prove my point with every post. And the facts speak for themselves. You also need to do a bit of research on Timothy Loehmann.
(And you are a misogynist to boot).
Sometimes you sound like such a moron veggie, as the truth and you couldn't be more distant!
mickthinks wrote:"All of them" is not citing any case, SoB. THE CURRENT RASH, here in the US. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but recently there's been a WAVE, of this type crap happening. And of course, it's angered me to know end. Then I find out more, and I don't know who to believe. I want the needless death, and stupidity to stop. I really don't care, in any particular case, who's to blame, I just want the ignorant to get a clue.
So may I again put the challenge to you to provide an example to back up your surprising claim that blacks in almost every situation refused to drop the weapon? Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? All of the recent ones, as outlined above. Or so that's the story.
I believe you won't cite any such case because you know of none, and thus your claim is a manifestation of your bias against black citizens. You can't goad me, with such a laughable attack, remember I know me, while you only say you do!
[The Tamir Rice] video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence.
Time is not at all pixilated or blurry, and it is clear from the video that the boy was shot within two seconds of the police officers' arrival on the scene. No time was allowed for an order to "put the gun down" to be issued, let alone complied with. Opening fire two seconds after arriving on the scene amounts to summary extrajudical execution. Time has nothing to do with it, if a gun is pointed at someones head or chest, and one just can't see that that's not the case. I repeatedly played it and I can't even make out that a human is being shot at all. So I have no clue what you're talking about.
mickthinks wrote:"All of them" is not citing any case, SoB. THE CURRENT RASH, here in the US. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but recently there's been a WAVE, of this type crap happening. And of course, it's angered me to know end. Then I find out more, and I don't know who to believe. I want the needless death, and stupidity to stop. I really don't care, in any particular case, who's to blame, I just want the ignorant to get a clue.
So may I again put the challenge to you to provide an example to back up your surprising claim that blacks in almost every situation refused to drop the weapon? Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? All of the recent ones, as outlined above. Or so that's the story.
I believe you won't cite any such case because you know of none, and thus your claim is a manifestation of your bias against black citizens. You can't goad me, with such a laughable attack, remember I know me, while you only say you do!
[The Tamir Rice] video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence.
Time is not at all pixilated or blurry, and it is clear from the video that the boy was shot within two seconds of the police officers' arrival on the scene. No time was allowed for an order to "put the gun down" to be issued, let alone complied with. Opening fire two seconds after arriving on the scene amounts to summary extrajudical execution. Time has nothing to do with it, if a gun is pointed at someones head or chest, and one just can't see that that's not the case. I repeatedly played it and I can't even make out that a human is being shot at all. So I have no clue what you're talking about.
He makes some good points, and you respond with.....laughy faces?? Isn't it funny how people often fit in with their own stereotypes? I wonder why that would be? You and Kayla aren't exactly doing a lot to dispel the stereotype of the racist, ignorant yank. Just saying.
mickthinks wrote:"All of them" is not citing any case, SoB. THE CURRENT RASH, here in the US. Maybe you hadn't noticed, but recently there's been a WAVE, of this type crap happening. And of course, it's angered me to know end. Then I find out more, and I don't know who to believe. I want the needless death, and stupidity to stop. I really don't care, in any particular case, who's to blame, I just want the ignorant to get a clue.
So may I again put the challenge to you to provide an example to back up your surprising claim that blacks in almost every situation refused to drop the weapon? Can you cite any cases of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? All of the recent ones, as outlined above. Or so that's the story.
I believe you won't cite any such case because you know of none, and thus your claim is a manifestation of your bias against black citizens. You can't goad me, with such a laughable attack, remember I know me, while you only say you do!
[The Tamir Rice] video was far to pixilated and blurry to make out anything of any real consequence.
Time is not at all pixilated or blurry, and it is clear from the video that the boy was shot within two seconds of the police officers' arrival on the scene. No time was allowed for an order to "put the gun down" to be issued, let alone complied with. Opening fire two seconds after arriving on the scene amounts to summary extrajudical execution. Time has nothing to do with it, if a gun is pointed at someones head or chest, and one just can't see that that's not the case. I repeatedly played it and I can't even make out that a human is being shot at all. So I have no clue what you're talking about.
He makes some good points, and you respond with.....laughy faces?? Isn't it funny how people often fit in with their own stereotypes? I wonder why that would be? You and Kayla aren't exactly doing a lot to dispel the stereotype of the racist, ignorant yank. Just saying.
Maybe you hadn't noticed, but recently there's been a WAVE, of this type crap happening.
No, SoB, I haven't—and neither, I believe, have you.
I have noticed a number of cases in the USA recently of shocking police violence towards black people, but none of these cases involved an African American refusing to drop a fake gun they were holding. That's why I am asking you to provide some links to reports of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so?
... and one just can't see that [Tamir Rice's gun was not pointed at the officer's head or chest].
Just so! You can't see any evidence to justify the police officer's violence, so you invent it. The officer shot the black boy dead, and that would be unforgiveable if the boy had not pointed the BB gun at him, so you believe the boy must have.
So I have no clue what you're talking about.
By you own admission, SoB, you don't know what you are talking about.
mickthinks wrote:Maybe you hadn't noticed, but recently there's been a WAVE, of this type crap happening.
No, SoB, I haven't—and neither, I believe, have you.
I have noticed a number of cases in the USA recently of shocking police violence towards black people, but none of these cases involved an African American refusing to drop a fake gun they were holding. That's why I am asking you to provide some links to reports of black people with fake or BB guns failing to drop them immediately when ordered by armed police and given the chance to do so? Come Mick, do your own legwork, sheesh!
... and one just can't see that [Tamir Rice's gun was not pointed at the officer's head or chest].
Just so! You can't see any evidence to justify the police officer's violence, so you invent it. The officer shot the black boy dead, and that would be unforgiveable if the boy had not pointed the BB gun at him, so you believe the boy must have. You really should put that bottle down, or your glasses on. It seems like you're not paying attention.
So I have no clue what you're talking about.
By you own admission, SoB, you don't know what you are talking about. Just for an unfounded attack? Mick now you're acting lame.
I'm on the side of unjustified death, potentially dealt by those with licenses to kill! But more importantly can you read?
You prove my point with every post. And the facts speak for themselves. You also need to do a bit of research on Timothy Loehmann.
