-Sappho de Miranda,Sappho de Miranda wrote:Niels Bohr
When I ask for a layperson view of your belief in our inability to prove The Big Bang Theory... I wasn't expecting you to encourage me to become at one with my GoogleFu and answer it myself. For the sake of humour, I believe that THIS is what you are referring to.
(There is no space in my pseudo.)
Actually, I was not referring to anything else than a famous phenomenon, and therefore did not see your link. It is not about one experiment, but a general phenomenon. I actually was inferring on the confessions of physicists themselves.
-My conclusion about this is not from this experiment, and therefore is not science. At most a mathematical reasoning as a metaphysical one.Sappho de Miranda wrote: Well, I can do science me too...
Please, avoid to infer to much about my intention (already explained before, moreover).
Sappho de Miranda wrote: Well, I can do science me too... like also... And it seems to me that Science is less interested in absolutes and greatly interested in the in-between. Science has no interest then in proving that something came from nothing, nor that everything is possible for that matter. Science is interested in seeking out the best explanations given the observations possible. The synchrotrons are quite useful then as scientific tools of experimentation. So why the nay-saying which serves no purpose?
Skip wrote: Let us make this clear: scientists, not Science. Science is a discipline, and approach to problem solving, a method, a human endeavour encompassing many fields of study in which millions of people participate over thousands of years, each adding their little bit of theory, observation, experimentation, explanation, and yet more questions. Science is not a conscious entity: it doesn't say anything, do anything or want anything. People do.
-Do not pretend, as being innocent, that I didn't answer this question.Sappho de Miranda wrote: Also, what was the purpose of the Frankenstein example?
-Sappho,Sappho de Miranda wrote: This is after all a discussion on Atheism/ Theism and 'Creator' has a very specific meaning in that regard, so important to stipulate quite clearly the qualities of Creator and created if you wish to clearly tease that polarity.
Of course, as soon as we pose a word - as Creator - this pose a frame, even in a question - we give an orientation.
This told to you, a Creator can only be conceived as referring to a creature.
You could write that a "force creating" being God, and God being also in the universe (in the understood of Holy Spirit), this would be astonishing that the force creating was not in the world.
The world being without - as any other entity - the ability to create itself, I lead you to the Trinity: the force shall refer to the Father; the presence of God in our universe being the Holy Spirit.
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N.B.:
Please, if you want to infer from now on, take your inferences on your account - not on mine. Avoid in "assuming" for me.
If you have any doubt, explain them clearly.