What again!? Your narrator must be working overtime and has short-term memory loss as well.
Still,
Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
The discredidation of Neuro-linguistic programming is far too extensive to relay here. ...
Tell it to those whose phobias have been rapidly removed. Tell it to those who changed limiting beliefs that were having an adverse effect upon their lives. Tell it to those who have improved their performance in fields in which they were already successful. Tell it to those who have achieved outcomes they set themselves. Tell it to Bill Clinton.
I do however referr you to the unbiased wiki article of Neuro-linguistic programming, which I quote, in part, below:
'unbiased wiki'.
Strange that after the successes of NLP in solving some psychological problems Psychotherapy suddenly came up with CBT which is pretty much exactly the same as the NLP method?
Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is an approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy created by Richard Bandler and John Grinder in California, United States in the 1970s. Its creators claim a connection between the neurological processes ("neuro"), language ("linguistic") and behavioral patterns learned through experience ("programming") and that these can be changed to achieve specific goals in life. ...
Not exactly a wild claim and a pretty positive one to boot. In fact exactly what Psychotherapy believes I'd have thought?
Bandler and Grinder claim that the skills of exceptional people can be "modeled" using NLP methodology, then those skills can be acquired by anyone. ...
Which is pretty much what they did for themselves when they modelled the psychotherapists they used to build the NLP model.
Bandler and Grinder also claim that NLP can treat problems such as phobias, depression, habit disorder, psychosomatic illnesses, myopia,[8] allergy, common cold,[9] and learning disorders, often in a single session. NLP has been adopted by some hypnotherapists and in seminars marketed to business and government.
Hah! Love the last sentence tagged on, unbiased my arse. See the word "can"? For the rest, the learning disorder would have been types of diagnosed dyslexia and that'll be Robert Dilts I reckon as he got interested in learning, psychosomatic illnesses can exactly include myopia, allergies, depression, habit disorder and since they are all to do with one mental models I guess some NLP practitioner would have modelled the significant actions that could help to 'cure' them. As the insight that Bandler and Grinder had over the other psychotherapists was to look at those who 'cured' themselves of their conditions to see if there was anything that could be applied to help others, rather than spend time practicing how to 'cure' those suffering.
Take a peak at this often used in NLP technique;
Snake Phobia Cured in one session Pt 1
Snake Phobia Cured in one session Pt 2
It's just hysterical that NLP actually uses techniques from psychotherapy and yet psychotherapy wishes to discredit them.
The balance of scientific evidence reveals NLP to be a largely discredited pseudoscience. Scientific reviews show it contains numerous factual errors, and fails to produce the results asserted by proponents.[/size]
As Bandler and Grinder make absolutely no claim for NLP being a science and LMAO! that you, the great pseudo-science babbling gnu, try to use this approach to discredit NLP. The best I have is a psychotherapist friend of my poo-pooing NLP and then checking the actual literature and finding a double-blind study that showed NLP very effect at removing phobias. And LMFAO! as by these lights the balance of scientific evidence reveals Psychotherapy itself to be a largely discredited pseudoscience. Why did, do you think, Psychotherapy produce CBT?
The article continues:
Devilly argues that the so-called power therapies—such as NLP—gain popularity because they are promoted, like other pseudoscience, using a set of social influence tactics. These include making extraordinary claims (e.g., a one-session cure for any trauma-related memory),
Not on my NC NLP course.
creating a rationalization trap by obtaining incremental commitments from students learning the power therapy (e.g., first lesson is free and subsequent courses increase in price),
Not on my NC NLP course.
manufacturing source credibility and sincerity by creating a guru-like leader that is most qualified in the power therapy, creating a self-regulated body composed of those that have completed a course in the power therapy, and defining an enemy to facilitate in-group/out-group thinking and behavior and to serve as a scapegoat.
Not on my NC NLP course. The irony is that if you learn and practice the techniques and assume the presuppositions then its pretty much impossible for one to be taken in by a guru-like leader. Although as I think this is just what you wish to be so I can well understand how you avoid such things.
Overall there is some truth in the above, as I've often stated in our conversation upon this topic, there are a lot of half-arses NLP 'trainers' out there willing to spout guff and take advantage of others, take a course with care, better yet, read Frogs into Princes, The Structure of Magic I and II before you go anywhere near a training course.
NLP has been criticized alongside theories and practices characterized as questionable, pseudoscience and/or discredited practices in therapy. Sources within therapy and psychology include books such as Crazy Therapies (1997), Science and Pseudo-science in Clinical Psychology (2002), and Tall Tales about the Mind and Brain (2007). Articles critical of NLP also appear in the Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience (2000) and The Skeptic's Dictionary (2003).
And yet CBT is now one of the most popular tools in the psychoanalysts toolbox?
NLP has also been used as a key example of pseudoscience to facilitate the understanding of the importance of rational and critical thinking in a number of academic subjects.
OH! PLEASE STOP! You're hurting my sides. Bill Willtrack advocating "the importance of rational and critical thinking"
As I have stated before, just briefly practicing this discipline - or even just reading about this bullshit, makes one want to take a mental shower afterwords. It's really a hippy-like horseshit from what you would see in the 70's.
You would know as thats exactly where you come from, a stoner hippy following his guru if I remember right. But as usual you are wrong as NLP is more like Dianetics, no dippy-hippy horseshit in sight with the advantage of no theory of mind or religious metaphysics, just an epistemology with a phenomenology one can test with the techniques.
is where I see you have obtained that word gnu that you misuse here at The Forum.
Nah! I made that up long before I explored NLP as I'm old enough to have experienced many gnus and their techniques, its why I can smell you a mile away.
-linguistic programming (NLP) uses, what rational people would term guru in much of the subliminal drivel neuro-linguistic programming feeds it's flock.
You know this from experience do you? Or is this just more of your wiki 'learning'.
understand neuro-linguistic programming's attraction for you.
Do you? I doubt it. In NLP what you've just done is called breaking the pre-supposition that 'The Map is not the Territory' and its also called 'Mind-reading' which is also a no-no, bu then you are a delusional sort of gnu aren't you.
TELL US - TELL ME: DO YOU SEE HOW FOOLISH YOU LOOK?
To whom? You? You think I think your opinion of any value? You've misunderstood our relationship.
YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THIS TYPE OF PROGRAMMING IS USING YOUR HEAD AS THE BASKETBALL WHEN YOUR COACH SAYS " LET'S PLAY SOME BASKETBALL!" [/size][/color]
Since you know nothing about the 'programming' and have no experience at all of what you talk about I understand that you understand nothing about the subject but as usual think yourself the gnu of all matters.
I am embarrassed for you. Until you bring this guru horseshit up, you sound relatively normal.
There you go again, gushing your feelings about as tho' they have any import. Why do you do this, oh! I know, its how you play the gnu to your hoped for acolytes. Save them for yourself as you obviously need them.
Me, I just test and pix-n-mix things that appear useful in ones life, unlike you none dominate me.
luck to you in all you do.
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Luck is always handy but on the whole I prefer planning and technique.
size=124]...you've taken one too many shots to the head my friend. Perhaps it's time to take it a bit easy upon yourself.
Says the drugged-up, self-harming endorphin junkie.
told you about a year ago to not undertake starting any threads here. I think that was good advice. Please continue following that advice...and whatever you do DROP this neuro-linguistic programming.
No need, as I can turn it on and off at will.
I told you before that unlike you I'm not currently seeking self-aprobation for myself or my thoughts, nor on the hunt for web-acolytes, not least because I've studied Philosophy and know that until I have something truly worthwhile to say I won't be starting threads, as unlike you I don't think post whatever drivel comes to mind in the mistaken belief that I'm doing philosophy.
listen to me. Allow me to continue to be your gnu or guru or whatever you choose call me. Continue to trust me and listen to me. I have not let you down yet.[/size]
You ought to take an NLP course as this is derisory but true to form from a delusional gnu. You really ought to try the New Age Sites as they may be more gullible, oh! you have, in fact you've pretty much tried every site out there and been banned from the bulk it appears. How's this method working out for you? Not well it appears. Maybe you ought to read a little NC NLP and risk fixing your issues and achieving your outcomes.
Just loving the red! Your subconscious is just hysterical.
