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Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:07 am**

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: The fact that it's cowardice is a logical imperative.

Again you fail to see the difference between cowardice and wisdom. There is nothing to be gained in an unnecessary death.

All this time you've apparently missed the logical imperative, that's what happens sometimes when one enters an argument between two, where the entirety of the argument is unknown, and/or you may not know enough about my understanding, and the why of it, such that you can understand this truth.

When one is willing to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, yet not just as freely do so to oneself, it speaks of their cowardice, and nothing else! Ethics is primarily dealing with ones fear.

Flight From Death: The Quest for Immortality

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:27 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: The fact that it's cowardice is a logical imperative.

Again you fail to see the difference between cowardice and wisdom. There is nothing to be gained in an unnecessary death.

All this time you've apparently missed the logical imperative, that's what happens sometimes when one enters an argument between two, where the entirety of the argument is unknown, and/or you may not know enough about my understanding, and the why of it, such that you can understand this truth.

When one is willing to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, yet not just as freely do so to oneself, it speaks of their cowardice, and nothing else! Ethics is primarily dealing with ones fear.

Flight From Death: The Quest for Immortality

There is no logic in suicide, and it is not a demonstration of courage or the lack of cowardice, more just the lack of intelligence. Self preservation is logical, throwing your life away for nothing is not logical, nor does it demonstrate a lack of cowardice. Suicide is just stupid. There is a big difference between a lack of fear of death, and living your life fearlessly, and trying to demonstrate that lack of fear by committing suicide. Self preservation is not proof of a fear of death, to say otherwise is a gross oversimplification.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:32 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: The fact that it's cowardice is a logical imperative.

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
thedoc wrote:

Again you fail to see the difference between cowardice and wisdom. There is nothing to be gained in an unnecessary death.
All this time you've apparently missed the logical imperative, that's what happens sometimes when one enters an argument between two, where the entirety of the argument is unknown, and/or you may not know enough about my understanding, and the why of it, such that you can understand this truth.

When one is willing to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, yet not just as freely do so to oneself, it speaks of their cowardice, and nothing else! Ethics is primarily dealing with ones fear.

Flight From Death: The Quest for Immortality
There is no logic in suicide, and it is not a demonstration of courage or the lack of cowardice, more just the lack of intelligence. Self preservation is logical, throwing your life away for nothing is not logical, nor does it demonstrate a lack of cowardice. Suicide is just stupid. There is a big difference between a lack of fear of death, and living your life fearlessly, and trying to demonstrate that lack of fear by committing suicide. Self preservation is not proof of a fear of death, to say otherwise is a gross oversimplification.

No you're still not understanding, if you got time I'd recommend you watch that movie on HULU, (that link I provided). Your answers above come from nothing more than fear, and that's the truth of it! Most fear admitting they fear! Especially men!

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:37 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: All this time you've apparently missed the logical imperative,

There is no 'logical imperative' that connects suicide to courage or self preservation to cowardice, except in the minds of those who's minds are clouded with nonsense. Suicide does not equal courage, and self preservation does not equal cowardice, to say either, demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of humanity and logic.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:40 am**

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: All this time you've apparently missed the logical imperative,
There is no 'logical imperative' that connects suicide to courage or self preservation to cowardice, except in the minds of those who's minds are clouded with nonsense. Suicide does not equal courage, and self preservation does not equal cowardice, to say either, demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of humanity and logic.

You're preconceived notions just don't apply. Keep talking without understanding, you're only digging your hole deeper.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:42 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: No you're still not understanding, if you got time I'd recommend you watch that movie on HULU, (that link I provided). Your answers above come from nothing more than fear, and that's the truth of it! Most fear admitting they fear! Especially men!

Perhaps you could summarize it, I don't have 1 hour and 24 minutes to waste on a film that someone who equates suicide and courage, recommends. It all looks like "Publish or Perish" where some academic has to have some published work, no matter how silly, just to maintain their status as an academic.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:44 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: you're only digging your hole deeper.

I'm digging myself deeper into reality, not some unrealistic fantasy.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:47 am**

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: No you're still not understanding, if you got time I'd recommend you watch that movie on HULU, (that link I provided). Your answers above come from nothing more than fear, and that's the truth of it! Most fear admitting they fear! Especially men!

Perhaps you could summarize it, I don't have 1 hour and 24 minutes to waste on a film that someone who equates suicide and courage, recommends. It all looks like "Publish or Perish" where some academic has to have some published work, no matter how silly, just to maintain their status as an academic.

It's, (the movie), only part of the answer, It's a very good movie, but you don't have to understand, that's not an imperative. But mark my words, you speak of fear, and nothing more! Try psychology It'll do you good!

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:52 am**

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: you're only digging your hole deeper.

I'm digging myself deeper into reality, not some unrealistic fantasy.

No it' your misunderstanding, thus the words you try and put in my mouth, that are fantasy! You fear death and that's where it comes from.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:12 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: You fear death and that's where it comes from.

And you fear being proven wrong.

I've studied psychology, and you are confusing reluctance or not wanting something with fear. That I do not want to die, does not indicate fear, that is a common misunderstanding, and you are excused for making that mistake. I have encountered this before in expressing my dislike for some person and it was misconstrued as fear of that person, a completely wrong assessment, but common in some circles of erroneous psychological thought.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:21 pm**

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: You fear death and that's where it comes from.
And you fear being proven wrong.

I've studied psychology, and you are confusing reluctance or not wanting something with fear. That I do not want to die, does not indicate fear, that is a common misunderstanding, and you are excused for making that mistake. I have encountered this before in expressing my dislike for some person and it was misconstrued as fear of that person, a completely wrong assessment, but common in some circles of erroneous psychological thought.

Well Doc I get my info from real Doc's, and they disagree with you, I think I'll bet on the winning horse, largely because it agrees with what my studies have come to understand.

To want to survive is in fact fear based, you know one of those innate emotions that define "all" human animals, look it up, try an encyclopedia.

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:03 pm**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
To want to survive is in fact fear based, you know one of those innate emotions that define "all" human animals, look it up, try an encyclopedia.

Tell me, Is there anything in your world, or world view, that is not based on fear?

Posted: **Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:42 pm**

thedoc wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
To want to survive is in fact fear based, you know one of those innate emotions that define "all" human animals, look it up, try an encyclopedia.

Tell me, Is there anything in your world, or world view, that is not based on fear?

Exactly! Correct! But the great thing about the movie is it puts the human animal in perspective, especially as it pertains to their, here you go, I know you're gonna love this, as you've mentioned your distaste for it already, as opposed to "respectable" 'argument' of course, yes, FIGHTING!

It shows how the fear of death is largely responsible for all fighting, as in a philosophy forum maybe, when argument is no longer apparent, as they're reminded of their impending doom, yes I've conducted a little experiment here, from time to time, measuring differential aggression, and you've all failed, with respect to your point, while proving theirs, (real docs)/mine. Basically that the fear of death causes us to try and conquer death, by killing, thus we create all the problems we have, as distractions so as to try and ignore the truth that we are going to die, to run interference, if you will.

The original author of the material, a cultural anthropologist, Ernest Becker, in 1974, won a Pulitzer Prize for his book, "The Denial of Death," and it scared the shit out of people, to be laid out so naked, for all to see, exposed for the fear mongers we are, responsible for all the shit we do wrong! But then that's the joke, as "that shit," slowly builds the annihilation of our species.

And before you can say anything, denial, is the word of the day!

Posted: **Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:23 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: To want to survive is in fact fear based....

Why can't 'wanting to survive' be love-based? I love life. So I want to live!

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ... I've conducted a little experiment here, from time to time, measuring differential aggression, and you've all failed...!

Does that include me, Spheres?
If it does, the experiment was poorly constructed. I feel friendly toward everyone here.

Posted: **Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:46 pm**

prof wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote: To want to survive is in fact fear based....
Why can't 'wanting to survive' be love-based? I love life. So I want to live!

SpheresOfBalance wrote: ... I've conducted a little experiment here, from time to time, measuring differential aggression, and you've all failed...!
Does that include me, Spheres?
If it does, the experiment was poorly constructed. I feel friendly toward everyone here.

Of course, not you

You are one if the bright lights! My words were aimed at particulars involved in the argument, and thus unsuited for the masses! My apologies for not tailoring my meaning through words to include all, an important part of my quest!

As to either love or fear all I have is this to say:

"His research findings led him to classify six emotions as basic: anger, disgust, fear, happiness, sadness and surprise.[10]"

Love just doesn't seem to be considered one of the basic (innate) emotions, prof. I have to say, "I 'love' your way of thinking though."

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