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Have 'you' EVER the SAYING, 'Prevention is BETTER than the cure', "skepdick"?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:52 pmTry another moral high horse.
Every single one of your armed police officers likely feel the exact same way after taking a life. That's what the therapy is for...
So you would much prefer it if your armed police couldn't pull the trigger to end a terrorist attack?
But what THE POINT BEING MADE here IS; that in some countries/societies the VERY REASON WHY people NEED PROTECTING is BECAUSE SO MANY "OTHER" people HAVE guns, in that country/society.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:56 pmWell, they are legally correct. Not sure if that's trivial or not.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:55 pm Sorry. I should have been more clear. All I’m saying is that whoever said citizens and the police have equivalent mandates was only trivially correct.
Of course you could argue that citizens have a stricter mandate - there's negative consequences to you if somebody doesn't protect your life when it needs protecting.
REMOVE 'the cause', then absolutely NO one IS now 'needed' to do 'it', let alone 'should' do 'it' now, OBVIOUSLY.
OBVIOUSLY if 'we' took this to the full length, then 'this' here is NOT True AT ALL.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pmWhy are you still going on about this. What is the point, what are you trying to achieve?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:52 pmTry another moral high horse.
Every single one of your armed police officers likely feel the exact same way after taking a life. That's what the therapy is for...
So you would much prefer it if your armed police couldn't pull the trigger to end a terrorist attack?
I'm saying, as long as you or anyone else has no problem killing someone else, then the killing will never stop. The banning of all the weapons in the world won't make the slightest bit of difference to the ending of murder and killing people and animals.
LOL But 'it' ALL can be CHANGED, and DID, SO EASILY, SO SIMPLY, and SO QUICKLY.
Which IS a GREAT POINT here.
Okay. So, let us take 'this' as being Factual.
So you are actually equating the mass-murder perpetrated by a terrorist with the killing of a terrorist done by an armed policeman.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pm I'm saying, as long as you or anyone else has no problem killing someone else, then the killing will never stop. The banning of all the weapons in the world won't make the slightest bit of difference to the ending of murder and killing people and animals. So there is no point in talking about this subject anymore, since what is talking about it going to do to change what will obviously never be changed?
Do you personally, have a problem killing someone?
This one WILL NOT ANSWER 'that QUESTION' because, as some say in some particular countries would say, ' doing so would incriminate "them" 'self' '.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:04 pmYes, I have no idea what you are asking.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:59 pmAre you telling me that you have no idea what I am asking when I say do you have a problem killing someone else?
WOW!
That's the difference between you and me, I know what it means to have a problem killing someone else, and I would answer the question without any difficulty. I would know immediately that I have a problem killing someone else using a gun and so I wouldn't do it.
Using a gun is the key to the answer here. Would you kill someone using a gun and have no problem doing that?
Because after everything I have said about the topic so far too are still asking me this question
IF 'we' were to take and ACCEPT that 'this one' is a so-called "police officer", in "south africa", refers to 'itself' as being "white", KILLED one or more people, and GOT OFF, then I wonder how many would then presume that the one/s KILLED were NOT OF what are called and refer to as "white color"?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:37 pmHe is. I am a police officer
Why? He acused me of fantasizing about being a police officer.
Where's his evidence?
He doesn't have any, and so he stands accused of a false accusation.
Do I also have to write "STOOOPID" on my forehead with a black marker?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:32 pm We the PN posters would like you to pony-up some legitimate form of official, not fake identification stating clearly and precisely your name and address, and do also enclose a genuine photograph of yourself, not fake. Do all these things that will definitely prove to us you are indeed who you say you are, a volunteer for a bona fide policeforce as a firearmed officer of law and order in South Africa.
No.
What other reason do you need except practicing the principle of charity on a Philsophy forum?
My pleasure.
Since when has the ABSURDLY and SO called 'principle of charity' been able to be 'violated', and then the 'requirement for proof' is CHANGED or TURNED AROUND.
Which, IF True, EXPLAINS A LOT ABOUT and FOR 'your' VIEWS and BELIEFS here.
Since WHEN has 'distrust' been some sort of 'crime' or 'thing' that was 'wrong' in ANY way?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 6:09 pmSure thing!
You don't trust me when I say that I am a police officer - you demand proof.
Q.E.D you are distrusting. And your misanthropy was addressed prior.
REMEMBER that EVERY young child says that they have a problem killing "other people" with guns.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 6:49 pmI don't care what he is or isn't...anymore.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 6:35 pm
But most of Skepdick’s posts don’t hang on whether he’s a police officer or not anyway.
But he has said he's killed some guys. So I guess that could well be a clue to his real identity as a policeman.
But my point is, what's the point in talking about gun ownwership or none-gun ownership, it's not going to make a blind bit of difference whether we arm ourselves with guns or not if people do not have any problem killing someone with a gun. Until everyone says they have a problem killing other people with guns, then the killing will continue on indefinitely as long as man continues to be on the earth, and there will be nothing anyone can do about it.
BECAUSE 'things' are MADE INTO 'debates' is the VERY REASON WHY 'you', human beings, back in the days when this is being written, are STILL SO FAR BEHIND, and, SEEMINGLY, NOT PROGRESSING AT ALL.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:44 pm If people have no problem killing other people with guns, then the killing will never cease, ever, whether we arm ourselves or not.
The killing stops, only when people change their mind about killing people. Guns have no power, the power is all in the mind of the people, it's people intentions to kill that has to stop...until then, no gun on earth will save your life, if someone is determined enough to kill you without having any problem about it whatsoever.
The whole gun debate is stupid now and pointless to discuss it, it's never going to go anywhere, but round and round in circles like most for and against discussions do.
I'm done with this thread.
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Which IS TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTANDABLE.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:07 pm There was a post earlier, where one of you asked Skepdick something about how it feels to have killed someone. I don’t know for certain what the question was, but I remember that his response was that that’s what therapists are for.
I’d like to add my personal experience with killing a human being. It wasn’t a murder, yet I feel guilty anyway and it has haunted me every day since.
But when one has FULL control OVER all emotions, then emotions do NOT GAIN control over 'you'.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:07 pm I consider myself a pacifist and had no intention of killing anyone. But animal instincts took over and pushed all of my heartfelt pacifism aside.
If you want to know whether or not you would kill someone, I suggest that your animal nature will be spurred into action by the ultimately defining emotion of fear.
Without knowing ALL of the circumstances, it is hard to know whether or not to talk about and refer to 'guns', and/or 'weapons' here now.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:07 pm I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.
'This' was EXACTLY what I was referring to, and WHERE the 'flaw in reasoning', from my perspective, EXISTS.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:19 pmI was anti-gun when this thread began, but Skepdick changed my mind. It makes more sense to arm and train everyone than to collect the guns that are out there.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:52 pm OK, so we’re still stuck at either everyone has guns or no one (except the police and the military) has guns.
If everyone has at least one gun, theoretically everyone would be able to protect himself from someone else who has a gun.
If no one has any guns, then theoretically there would be no need for anyone to protect himself.
In practice, lots of people have guns in the US.
Therefore, on the whole it would be theoretically and practically more sensible to permit everyone to have guns.
Sadly, I must concede that Skepdik has been right all along.
So-called 'normal people' do NOT think NOR BELIEVE that guns and weapons to KILL human beings ARE NECESSARY.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:22 pmIt's like the Spanish Inquisition has some pre-approved vocabulary for what you are allowed and not allowed to say; what you are and not allowed to feel; and what you are allowed and not allowed to think when you get put in a fucked up situation where all the options are shit.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:07 pm There was a post earlier, where one of you asked Skepdick something about how it feels to have killed someone. I don’t know for certain what the question was, but I remember that his response was that that’s what therapists are for.
I’d like to add my personal experience with killing a human being. It wasn’t a murder, yet I feel guilty anyway and it has haunted me every day since.
I consider myself a pacifist and had no intention of killing anyone. But animal instincts took over and pushed all of my heartfelt pacifism aside.
If you want to know whether or not you would kill someone, I suggest that your animal nature will be spurred into action by the ultimately defining emotion of fear.
I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.
Normal people don't want to do it.
Normal people get put in a situations where they have to do it.
Normal people hate the fact that they were put in such a fucked up situation and they endure the psychological cost thereof.
Normal people would do it again if they were put in the same fucked up situation.
Does any of this mean they do; or don't have a problem with it?
What 'part/s' here are 'you' 'amening', EXACTLY?commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:28 pmAmen.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:22 pmIt's like the Spanish Enquisition has some pre-approved vocabulary for what you are allowed and not allowed to say; what you are and not allowed to feel; and what you are allowed and not allowed to think when you get put in a fucked up situation where all the options are shit.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 7:07 pm There was a post earlier, where one of you asked Skepdick something about how it feels to have killed someone. I don’t know for certain what the question was, but I remember that his response was that that’s what therapists are for.
I’d like to add my personal experience with killing a human being. It wasn’t a murder, yet I feel guilty anyway and it has haunted me every day since.
I consider myself a pacifist and had no intention of killing anyone. But animal instincts took over and pushed all of my heartfelt pacifism aside.
If you want to know whether or not you would kill someone, I suggest that your animal nature will be spurred into action by the ultimately defining emotion of fear.
I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.
Normal people don't want to do it.
Normal people get put in a situations where they have to do it.
Normal people hate the fact that they were put in such a fucked up situation and they endure the psychological cost thereof.
Normal people would do it again if they were put in the same fucked up situation.
Does any of this mean they do; or don't have a problem with it?
