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attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:33 pm On the topic of Christianity:

According to Christianity, God is all powerful and all good. Yet the God of the Bible allegedly did/does things that I, personally, do not think are good (for example the flood and telling Abraham to sacrifice his son). In addition, the world itself, which God allegedly created, is full of too much that I perceive as evil. It's so difficult for me to reconcile Christianity with my reality that it causes me to feel like I ought to just give up and call myself agnostic once again. I tried to be a Christian but the shoe just doesn't fit me. I don't know if I'll go to Hell or not but I just can't follow the God of the Christian Bible. It's too difficult. The bar is set too high and I'm just not seeing any real reward or utility in being a Christian. All the fun seems to be in doing sinful things, I have yet to see where doing things pleasing to God bears any kind of enjoyable fruit for me.

Think for yourself Gary. By "Christianity" you are ..i think..referring to the 'know it all' preachers that TELL us what Christianity is. That God is ALL GOOD. When in fact the OT as you point out has the other side of God portrayed. THE TRUTH!! ...that God is not ALL GOOD, it has reasons for the other side.

Now true Christianity is understanding that above point. But also, believing the the true good man Christ and what he did to instill faith of love in us - beyond what is the universal TRUTH to God (that IT AINT ALL GOOD).

..as I can account for over 25 years of experience of both sides of God.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:01 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:33 pm On the topic of Christianity:

According to Christianity, God is all powerful and all good. Yet the God of the Bible allegedly did/does things that I, personally, do not think are good (for example the flood and telling Abraham to sacrifice his son). In addition, the world itself, which God allegedly created, is full of too much that I perceive as evil. It's so difficult for me to reconcile Christianity with my reality that it causes me to feel like I ought to just give up and call myself agnostic once again. I tried to be a Christian but the shoe just doesn't fit me. I don't know if I'll go to Hell or not but I just can't follow the God of the Christian Bible. It's too difficult. The bar is set too high and I'm just not seeing any real reward or utility in being a Christian. All the fun seems to be in doing sinful things, I have yet to see where doing things pleasing to God bears any kind of enjoyable fruit for me.

Think for yourself Gary. By "Christianity" you are ..i think..referring to the 'know it all' preachers that TELL us what Christianity is. That God is ALL GOOD. When in fact the OT as you point out has the other side of God portrayed. THE TRUTH!! ...that God is not ALL GOOD, it has reasons for the other side.

Now true Christianity is understanding that above point. But also, believing the the true good man Christ and what he did to instill faith of love in us - beyond what is the universal TRUTH to God (that IT AINT ALL GOOD).

..as I can account for over 25 years of experience of both sides of God.

What are the "reasons" for the bad side of God?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:07 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:01 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:53 pm

Think for yourself Gary. By "Christianity" you are ..i think..referring to the 'know it all' preachers that TELL us what Christianity is. That God is ALL GOOD. When in fact the OT as you point out has the other side of God portrayed. THE TRUTH!! ...that God is not ALL GOOD, it has reasons for the other side.

Now true Christianity is understanding that above point. But also, believing the the true good man Christ and what he did to instill faith of love in us - beyond what is the universal TRUTH to God (that IT AINT ALL GOOD).

..as I can account for over 25 years of experience of both sides of God.

What are the "reasons" for the bad side of God?

Shit, that's so easy an answer.

How evil are LOADS of humans to each other even animals?

How much of God's personal suffering to form us (our pervievable reality) are we aware of? (fuck all)

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:23 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:07 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:01 pm

What are the "reasons" for the bad side of God?

Shit, that's so easy an answer.

How evil are LOADS of humans to each other even animals?

How much of God's personal suffering to form us (our pervievable reality) are we aware of? (fuck all)

If God is no better than a human being, then that would seem to make God very arbitrary or mundane, wouldn't it?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:30 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:23 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:07 pm

Shit, that's so easy an answer.

How evil are LOADS of humans to each other even animals?

How much of God's personal suffering to form us (our pervievable reality) are we aware of? (fuck all)

If God is no better than a human being, then that would seem to make God very arbitrary or mundane, wouldn't it?

...why are U jumping to conclusions?

If God suffered immensely more than we can even comprehend to finally form our reality. Then humans, part of that creation rape, murder children etc..

..truly, where the fuck are you getting such a stupid conclusion?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:36 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:30 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:23 pm

If God is no better than a human being, then that would seem to make God very arbitrary or mundane, wouldn't it?

...why are U jumping to conclusions?

If God suffered immensely more than we can even comprehend to finally form our reality. Then humans, part of that creation rape, murder children etc..

..truly, where the fuck are you getting such a stupid conclusion?

How do you know God suffered immensely more than we can comprehend? Does God suffer?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:42 pm As far as rape and murder, perhaps God could have done better in creating us.

Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:10 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:10 pm Austen fans seem very devoted, so I do intend to find out for myself at some time.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:14 pm She's worth your time. She was certainly a very skilled writer.

In the late 80s, I had a librarian as a lodger. I took advantage of this to get her to bring home the Austen books, one at a time, and I read them all. I found her to be a competent author, but not more than that. She was no Herman Hesse or Ursula K. LeGuin. IMO, of course.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:44 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:36 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:30 pm

...why are U jumping to conclusions?

If God suffered immensely more than we can even comprehend to finally form our reality. Then humans, part of that creation rape, murder children etc..

..truly, where the fuck are you getting such a stupid conclusion?

How do you know God suffered immensely more than we can comprehend? Does God suffer?

ffs Gary, what is about USAdians that don't comprehend what is written - read again in relation to that statement you just made, and what I said originally (play attention to "IF" God...and further up the (fuck knows) - with regard to that)
- point being - quite possibly GOD did suffer beyond any comprehension we can imagine and we are taking life for granted, hence GOD can be evil - for the reasons it has chosen to be required to.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:51 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:44 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:36 pm

How do you know God suffered immensely more than we can comprehend? Does God suffer?

ffs Gary, what is about USAdians that don't comprehend what is written - read again in relation to that statement you just made, and what I said originally (play attention to "IF" God...and further up the (fuck knows) - with regard to that)
- point being - quite possibly GOD did suffer beyond any comprehension we can imagine and we are taking life for granted, hence GOD can be evil - for the reasons it has chosen to be required to.

Then why do you think it may be the case that God may have suffered immensely by creating us?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:55 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:51 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:44 pm

ffs Gary, what is about USAdians that don't comprehend what is written - read again in relation to that statement you just made, and what I said originally (play attention to "IF" God...and further up the (fuck knows) - with regard to that)
- point being - quite possibly GOD did suffer beyond any comprehension we can imagine and we are taking life for granted, hence GOD can be evil - for the reasons it has chosen to be required to.

Then why do you think it may be the case that God may have suffered immensely by creating us?

...it gives reason as to why IT demands so much loyatly love and respect from us, not only to IT but just as much to each other, comprende?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:58 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:55 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:51 pm

Then why do you think it may be the case that God may have suffered immensely by creating us?

...it gives reason as to why IT demands so much loyatly love and respect from us, not only to IT but just as much to each other, comprende?

OK. Whatever you say. However, it seems to me that a God who created all this could just as easily have created things such as to be more pleasant for the inhabitants of his world.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:03 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:58 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:55 pm

...it gives reason as to why IT demands so much loyatly love and respect from us, not only to IT but just as much to each other, comprende?

OK. Whatever you say. However, it seems to me that a God who created all this could just as easily have created things such as to be more pleasant for the inhabitants of his world.

...boo hoo. U sound like a spoilt brat that doesn't want to earn from the resources that were provided - is your world (ignore the TV\radio) is YOUR life very unpleasant?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:18 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 5:03 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:58 pm

OK. Whatever you say. However, it seems to me that a God who created all this could just as easily have created things such as to be more pleasant for the inhabitants of his world.

...boo hoo. U sound like a spoilt brat that doesn't want to earn from the resources that were provided - is your world (ignore the TV\radio) is YOUR life very unpleasant?

Yes. When I'm lonely and depressed it's very unpleasant. I want to have an intimate relationship with a female whom I can love and who will love me the same in return. I have yet to come across one in 55 years of life.