New Discovery

[Belinda]

I'm trying to get the gist of it to see if you think the reason he created a fallacy was because he used the term "law of nature."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)

No It's not that. Unlike Flash, I have not the energy nor the time to read sample chapters of a large book by an unknown and slighted author.

I merely pick out one or two ideas that I can see are factually incorrect
One of those ideas is reified will, The other incorrect idea is that the book is "discovery" when in fact it is ""invention".

I am sure you are right that your father was a nice man. What is at issue is not your father but his ideas.

DO what is good for you. Just know pulling things out of context will never give you an understanding. This has nothing to do with him being a nice man. He was a very deep thinker. This was not an invention Belinda. You are wrong and you will continue to be wrong because you won't take the time to read in the order it was written. What do you mean "slighted author"? Slighted by whom? This is group think at its worst.

Yes, but reifying the word 'will' is a preconception that influences not only your father and yourself but also most people, and is what the fallacy of absolute 'Free Will' is based on.

If your father's book were a best seller it would not be slighted .Few buy books they don't want to read.

The difference between invention and discovery is that the latter has a lot of objective evidence to back up its claims and can be replicated.

[Atla]

Did you not see the bit about Lessans being guided by voices though? I was surprised you didn't sink your teeth into that one.

I missed that one. Guided by voices? Oh ffs

Yup, this is his origin story, Messiah complex and all....

It is interesting to observe at this point that Durant was indirectly involved in my discovery. To give you a little background, it was November of 1959 when I received an amazing revelation that would change the course of my life. I happened to overhear on the radio a priest state very dogmatically that man has freedom of the will, and the hair stood up on my arms like a cat ready to fight. I didn’t understand why that happened and didn’t pay much attention to it at the time but felt that I was chilled for some reason. Up until that time I never gave much thought to the subject of free will, not rejecting or accepting it, but when this chill occurred every time the subject came up, I began to see the connection. That night in a dream I kept hearing this phrase: “The solution to all the problems plaguing mankind lies hidden behind the fallacious belief that man’s will is free.” I still didn’t understand where it was leading, but the next day I started to reread Durant’s chapter on free will in his book Mansions of Philosophy. When I completed it, I remarked, “He really doesn’t know what he is talking about, and Spinoza is right; man’s will is not free.” Then, after nine strenuous months, I shouted, “Eureka, I have found it!” and I have had no rest ever since. After opening the door of determinism and proving conclusively that man’s will is not free, I saw another sign that read: ‘Hidden behind this door, you will discover the solution to the problem of evil — the long-awaited Messiah.’ I applied the key, opened the door, and after many months in the deepest analysis, I made a finding that was so fantastic, it took me several years to understand its full significance for all mankind. I saw how this new world must become a reality in a very short time.

I assume it is actually just completely made up, but it does sound quite a lot like a sustained episode of delusional disorder.

Well that could resemble a mild psychotic episode. Even if the big revelation came in a dream, though not sure if I would call that hearing voices.

Why did he develop this sudden aversion to the idea of free will? That's such a weird aversion to suddenly develop.

[Atla]

I don't think they tried to start a cult though. They really mean everything they say. They are simply stupid and delusional. Kinda like how Age believes everything she says too.

[peacegirl]

Such BS, and I think deep down you know it.

Wrong. You're maybe in the 90-100 IQ range? How do you intend to judge what high intelligence is?

I can't speak much to IQ, but I really couldn't find a means to dumb down any of my questions to the level she could understand them. It should really be trivially obvious what the problem is with an argument that attempts to discover a tautologous truism but she just isn't capable of comprehending that given redundancy of explanations the one that isn't the tautological truth by definition is superfluous and can be discarded without loss. I suppose now I think about it I could have tried explaining it as overdetermination. I highly doubt that would get through either though.

Why do you not respond to anything I ask you? You just ignore and attack. That's your M.O. The choice you make may be a tautological truth, but it is not without significance. You're not allowing yourself to understand that the reason it's significant is that, under a new set of environmental conditions (which have not been explained), a person could never choose evil over good, but if his will was free, then regardless of the prevailing conditions, he could still choose evil, but he can't, because he can only move in the direction that offers greater satisfaction, and in this case "good" is the only choice that can be made... forcing checkmate.

Steve Patterson's perspective on tautologies challenges the traditional view that they are merely true by definition and do not contribute to knowledge. Patterson argues that tautologies are foundational for critical reasoning and provide a basis for an accurate worldview. He emphasizes that tautologies are not trivial or redundant but rather essential for understanding the structure of propositions and the nature of truth. Patterson's work challenges the notion that tautologies should be dismissed as empty of content, advocating instead for their importance in philosophical discourse.

Did you not see the bit about Lessans being guided by voices though? I was surprised you didn't sink your teeth into that one.

Now you're hitting below the belt and trying to use his words against him. I'm not playing this game Atla. Change your tactics or we are done.

[Atla]

Decline and Fall of All Evil: The Most Important Discovery of Our Times
Beyond the Framework of Modern Thought
View From The Mountaintop
The Secret
A New Earth
Inception of the Golden Age: A Scientific Discovery
This Is An Urgent Message From A Visitor To Your Planet

You guys wrote seven books about that made-up parapsychological law of God?

[Age]

I don't think they tried to start a cult though. They really mean everything they say. They are simply stupid and delusional. Kinda like how Age believes everything she says too.

Once again the 'im/maturity', here, speaks loud and clear.

LOL It does not matter one iota how many times one informs "atla" of some thing it, still, can not see, and hear.

And, as usual "atla" resorts to speaking 'about an/other/s', only. And, with absolute False claims.

[Atla]

I don't think they tried to start a cult though. They really mean everything they say. They are simply stupid and delusional. Kinda like how Age believes everything she says too.

Once again the 'im/maturity', here, speaks loud and clear.

LOL It does not matter one iota how many times one informs "atla" of some thing it, still, can not see, and hear.

And, as usual "atla" resorts to speaking 'about an/other/s', only. And, with absolute False claims.

Or so you believe at least

[Age]

I don't think they tried to start a cult though. They really mean everything they say. They are simply stupid and delusional. Kinda like how Age believes everything she says too.

Once again the 'im/maturity', here, speaks loud and clear.

LOL It does not matter one iota how many times one informs "atla" of some thing it, still, can not see, and hear.

And, as usual "atla" resorts to speaking 'about an/other/s', only. And, with absolute False claims.

Or so you believe at least

LOL If only 'it' knew.

And, from 'now on' "atla" will just accuse 'me' of being "a liar", again. As 'this' is about all it can, essentially, really do and resort to, here.

[Atla]

Once again the 'im/maturity', here, speaks loud and clear.

LOL It does not matter one iota how many times one informs "atla" of some thing it, still, can not see, and hear.

And, as usual "atla" resorts to speaking 'about an/other/s', only. And, with absolute False claims.

Or so you believe at least

LOL If only 'it' knew.

And, from 'now on' "atla" will just accuse 'me' of being "a liar", again. As 'this' is about all it can, essentially, really do and resort to, here.

You can believe your own lies, but that doesn't make them true.

[Age]

Or so you believe at least

LOL If only 'it' knew.

And, from 'now on' "atla" will just accuse 'me' of being "a liar", again. As 'this' is about all it can, essentially, really do and resort to, here.

You can believe your own lies, but that doesn't make them true.

LOL 'This one', still, has not yet heard, nor seen, and so thus why it is, still, 'missing the mark', completely.

[Atla]

LOL If only 'it' knew.

And, from 'now on' "atla" will just accuse 'me' of being "a liar", again. As 'this' is about all it can, essentially, really do and resort to, here.

You can believe your own lies, but that doesn't make them true.

LOL 'This one', still, has not yet heard, nor seen, and so thus why it is, still, 'missing the mark', completely.

Someone who believes to be God is criticizing me for not seeing clearly. I'm devastated.

[Age]

You can believe your own lies, but that doesn't make them true.

LOL 'This one', still, has not yet heard, nor seen, and so thus why it is, still, 'missing the mark', completely.

Someone who believes to be God is criticizing me for not seeing clearly. I'm devastated.

Okay, but you, still, have got 'it' all Wrong. However, because you believe, absolutely, otherwise, you, still, can not yet see, and hear, any thing other than what you are believing to be absolutely true and right, here.

As you will keep on showing and proving further for 'me', here.

[Atla]

LOL 'This one', still, has not yet heard, nor seen, and so thus why it is, still, 'missing the mark', completely.

Someone who believes to be God is criticizing me for not seeing clearly. I'm devastated.

Okay, but you, still, have got 'it' all Wrong. However, because you believe, absolutely, otherwise, you, still, can not yet see, and hear, any thing other than what you are believing to be absolutely true and right, here.

I don't believe anything 'absolutely'. Believing things absolutely is typically a low-IQ mental shortcoming, and also characteristic of pretty much all of your thinking. I see psychologists tried to work on you to make you improve, but it didn't help much, you act like someone who is still full of absolute beliefs but has convinced herself of the opposite. You're just projecting your own mental shortcoming on me.

[Age]

Someone who believes to be God is criticizing me for not seeing clearly. I'm devastated.

Okay, but you, still, have got 'it' all Wrong. However, because you believe, absolutely, otherwise, you, still, can not yet see, and hear, any thing other than what you are believing to be absolutely true and right, here.

I don't believe anything 'absolutely'.

LOL
LOL
LOL you can keep 'trying to' believe this lie that you keep telling "yourself". However you have already proved what the actual Truth is, here.

Believing things absolutely is typically a low-IQ mental shortcoming, and also characteristic of pretty much all of your thinking.

Once again 'this one' can not resort to anything else, here, with 'me' except for attempts and ridicule and humiliation. it certainly can not copy word for word any thing I have said and written, here, critiqued it, countered it, and/nor refuted it.

it also has the ability to back up and support its claims, fully, when I question and challenge it over them.

I see psychologists tried to work on you to make you improve, but it didn't help much, you act like someone who is still full of absolute beliefs but has convinced herself of the opposite.

LOL Only 'now' it changes to, 'you act like ...'. But, its too late "atla".

Also, where, exactly, is this new claim of yours that you, laughingly, 'see' 'psychologists tried to work on me to make me improve', coming from, exactly?

Not that you will ever divulge, because of the consequences if you ever did.

You're just projecting your own mental shortcoming on me.

If 'this' is what 'your' really want to believe is absolutely true, then 'this' is perfectly fine, and okay, with 'me'.

[Atla]

Okay, but you, still, have got 'it' all Wrong. However, because you believe, absolutely, otherwise, you, still, can not yet see, and hear, any thing other than what you are believing to be absolutely true and right, here.

I don't believe anything 'absolutely'.

LOL
LOL
LOL you can keep 'trying to' believe this lie that you keep telling "yourself". However you have already proved what the actual Truth is, here.

Believing things absolutely is typically a low-IQ mental shortcoming, and also characteristic of pretty much all of your thinking.

Once again 'this one' can not resort to anything else, here, with 'me' except for attempts and ridicule and humiliation. it certainly can not copy word for word any thing I have said and written, here, critiqued it, countered it, and/nor refuted it.

it also has the ability to back up and support its claims, fully, when I question and challenge it over them.

I see psychologists tried to work on you to make you improve, but it didn't help much, you act like someone who is still full of absolute beliefs but has convinced herself of the opposite.

LOL Only 'now' it changes to, 'you act like ...'. But, its too late "atla".

Also, where, exactly, is this new claim of yours that you, laughingly, 'see' 'psychologists tried to work on me to make me improve', coming from, exactly?

Not that you will ever divulge, because of the consequences if you ever did.

You're just projecting your own mental shortcoming on me.

If 'this' is what 'your' really want to believe is absolutely true, then 'this' is perfectly fine, and okay, with 'me'.

You said you can go to any psychological examination and proclaim you're God. You were drugged for years I guess they were experimenting with medication. Your mantra that we shouldn't make assumptions seems to be something psychologists tried to hammer into you, trying to improve you somewhat. It's their job to try to repair you so that maybe you can even work one day and not just be a burden on society. But the combination of autism and schizophrenia has proven to be stronger.