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Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:53 am
by henry quirk
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:32 pm in regard to things like "life, liberty and property", very different human communities down through the ages have had, at times, very different interpretations of what they mean given particular sets of circumstances precipitating particular behaviors that come into conflict.
Some folks excel in promoting very different interpretations as justification for why our lives, liberties, & properties are, in some way, theirs (to control if not outright own). They can very persuasive. They promise salvation and -- if you won't give over -- threaten damnation. We, greedy for what they promise, and fearful of what they threaten, often do give over. We are hoodwinked.

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That's why any number men and women have suggested that, given this, it is democracy and the rule of law that politically reflects the best of all possible worlds(...)
...if you're one of the two wolves....not so much if you're the lamb.

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Now, what do(es Henry) fall back on to "prove" that (his) own One True Path to Enlightenment will save rather than damn the world?
The intuition of any and every person, any where or when, that his life, liberty, and property are his alone.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:57 am
by henry quirk
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:46 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:18 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:10 am What good is that, except to undermine civil society? Causing destruction and dysfunction?
See here
How does that video relate to a professed desire to cause "mayhem?"
Mebbe if you recognized you were in a prison, one you built yourself, for yourself, becuz you were hoodwinked into it by those with an interest in your value as livestock: you might take offense and do sumthin' about it (and that would be, from the perspective of your owners, mayhem).

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:15 am
by iambiguous
henry quirk wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:53 am
iambiguous wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:32 pm in regard to things like "life, liberty and property", very different human communities down through the ages have had, at times, very different interpretations of what they mean given particular sets of circumstances precipitating particular behaviors that come into conflict.
Some folks excel in promoting very different interpretations as justification for why our lives, liberties, & properties are, in some way, theirs (to control if not outright own). They can very persuasive. They promise salvation and -- if you won't give over -- threaten damnation. We, greedy for what they promise, and fearful of what they threaten, often do give over. We are hoodwinked.

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That's why any number men and women have suggested that, given this, it is democracy and the rule of law that politically reflects the best of all possible worlds(...)
...if you're one of the two wolves....not so much if you're the lamb.

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Now, what do(es Henry) fall back on to "prove" that (his) own One True Path to Enlightenment will save rather than damn the world?
The intuition of any and every person, any where or when, that his life, liberty, and property are his alone.
Absolutely shameless!

:wink:

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:32 am
by henry quirk
iambiguous wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:15 amAbsolutely shameless! :wink:
Look what I've reduced him to: 🤡

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:34 am
by Gary Childress
henry quirk wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:57 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:46 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:18 am
See here
How does that video relate to a professed desire to cause "mayhem?"
Mebbe if you recognized you were in a prison, one you built yourself, for yourself, becuz you were hoodwinked into it by those with an interest in your value as livestock: you might take offense and do sumthin' about it (and that would be, from the perspective of your owners, mayhem).
"Livestock"? Sounds a little melodramatic. I'm pretty sure life in the 21st century is not quite that bad. Look on the bright side, you're not locked up in a mental hospital with psychoses. You're out free and about and have enough spare time to spend it on the Internet.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:50 am
by Harbal
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:34 am
henry quirk wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:57 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:46 pm

How does that video relate to a professed desire to cause "mayhem?"
Mebbe if you recognized you were in a prison, one you built yourself, for yourself, becuz you were hoodwinked into it by those with an interest in your value as livestock: you might take offense and do sumthin' about it (and that would be, from the perspective of your owners, mayhem).
"Livestock"? Sounds a little melodramatic. I'm pretty sure life in the 21st century is not quite that bad. Look on the bright side, you're not locked up in a mental hospital with psychoses.
But do we know that for sure, Gary? 🤔

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:53 am
by Gary Childress
Harbal wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:50 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:34 am
henry quirk wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:57 am

Mebbe if you recognized you were in a prison, one you built yourself, for yourself, becuz you were hoodwinked into it by those with an interest in your value as livestock: you might take offense and do sumthin' about it (and that would be, from the perspective of your owners, mayhem).
"Livestock"? Sounds a little melodramatic. I'm pretty sure life in the 21st century is not quite that bad. Look on the bright side, you're not locked up in a mental hospital with psychoses.
But do we know that for sure, Gary? 🤔
I suppose we don't. :|

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:43 am
by Walker
henry quirk wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:32 am
Here’s a good one, which was obvious in real time as it was happening, even without the video, although it certainly was given very little, if any, attention by the likes of CNN and other propaganda outlets.

Nancy Pelosi Contradicts Her Own Narrative of January 6, HBO Footage Shows
June 11, 2024
https://cha.house.gov/2024/6/nancy-pelo ... tage-shows
This video shows Pelosi in a moment of leadership acknowledging that as Speaker of the House it was her responsibility to ensure the safety of Members of Congress that day and every other day. However, Pelosi never publicly took responsibility. Instead, Pelosi created the January 6 Select Committee with the purpose of publicly blaming Donald Trump for her own failures.
Note: The Speaker of the House at that time, Pelosi, need not acknowledge her responsibility, for it to be her responsibility.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:08 am
by henry quirk
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:34 am"Livestock"? Sounds a little melodramatic.
Is serf better? Cog? How about slave?
I'm pretty sure life in the 21st century is not quite that bad.
Sez the guy who complains endlessly about how terrible his life is.
Look on the bright side, you're not locked up in a mental hospital with psychoses. You're out free and about and have enough spare time to spend it on the Internet.
Yep, the accommodations in Black Iron Prison, for some, are generous.

But, you know, a cage is still a cage no matter how well appointed.

Anyway: if you like it (the cage), or can't recognize it as a cage, then keep doin' what you've been doin' and avoid the malcontents and mayhemers.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:17 am
by Will Bouwman
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:38 pmSo you have looked in the back issues of your own sources, you say? And you remain unconvinced? :shock: Then either they did not join the other major news outlets in their common mendacity, or you cannot be convinced, perhaps.
Lockdown was fairly strict in the UK, so I had a lot of time to do a great deal of reading. I saw everything that you are talking about, so we can assume we have pretty much the same data set. While it may be that:
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:38 pm...the coverage of all that was absurdly sensationalistic, unwise, unproven, and downright foolish.
I don't see how you can prove that anybody was consciously lying.
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:38 pmAnd all the major media were complicit.
Complicit is a very strong word; absurdly sensationalistic, unwise, unproven, and downright foolish even.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:24 am
by henry quirk
Walker wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:43 am
She's a trusty in BIP.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:28 am
by Alexis Jacobi
henry quirk wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:08 am Anyway: if you like it (the cage), or can't recognize it as a cage, then keep doin' what you've been doin' and avoid the malcontents and mayhemers.
I subscribe to The Corbett Report and appreciate many of his presentations. It seems to me that many of the ideas in this one, and the book he examines, coincide with some of your views.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:26 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
The “belief in” — which I’d prefer to state as “the understanding of” — the supernatural [hence supernatural realness] involves a whole, interconnected set of notions that, in my present view, opens one to, avails one, of an entire range of mental, intellectual, spiritual and lived possibilities that in my view cannot be understood except in terms of realness.

The purpose of referring to realness is to defend this view or understanding from the assertion of unrealness. Which is the chief assertion, the foundation it seems to me, of a-theism. The heaviest arguments are brought out through this assertion of irreality.

In my view, the following articulation can be looked at as a conceptual map that allows an opening to a different sort of order that is, well, distinct and different from the mundane natural order. To say that the world that is opened to is “unreal” (or invented) simply cannot be a true term. It has realness —and this is unquestionable — though its reality is intangible.
Briefly, the history [of the supernatural order] is this:

From the beginning, man was raised, far above the claims of his nature, to a life which made him, even here below, the adopted child of God, and to a destiny which entitled him to the beatific vision and love of God in heaven. To these strictly supernatural gifts by which man was truly made partaker of the Divine nature (2 Peter 1:4) were added preternatural endowments, that is immunity from ignorance, passion, suffering and death, which left him "little lower than the angels" (Psalm 8:6; Hebrews 2:7).

Through their own fault, our first parents forfeited for themselves and their race both the God-like life and destiny and the angel-like endowments. In His mercy God promised a Redeemer who, heralded by ages of prophecy, came in the fulness of time in the person of Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God. By His Incarnation, labours, passion, and death, Jesus Christ restored mankind to its former Divine sonship and heavenly inheritance, if not to its quasi-angelic prerogatives, the virtue of Redemption being applied to us through the joint ministrations of the inner Spirit, and of the visible Church, in the form of actual helps, habitual sanctity, and the power of meriting Heaven.

An analysis of the supernatural order, barely inaugurated by the Fathers, but brought to a point of great perfection by the Schoolmen and post-Tridentine theologians, discloses the various elements that make up order, that is an end, means, and laws. The end is man's destination to see God face to face and to love Him correspondingly. If, as will be shown, the intuitive vision of God is our true destiny and moreover transcends our highest natural powers, then we must be given means capable of attaining that end, that is supernatural.

Those means can be no other than our own actions, but invested with a higher power that makes them meritorious of Heaven. Grace, both actual and habitual, is the source of that meriting power: while habitual grace, with its train of infused virtues or faculties raises our mode of being and operating to a sphere which is God's own, actual grace spurs us on to justification and, once we stand justified, sets in motion our supernatural powers causing them to yield good and meritorious works.

In the supernatural order, as in all others, there are also specific laws. The work of man's sanctification depends in a manner on the general laws of the universe and most certainly upon the carrying out of all the moral precepts written in our hearts. Besides these laws which Christ came not to abolish, there are positive or freely established enactments ranging all the way from the Divinely appointed conditions of salvation to the revealed obligations and even the rules governing our growth in holiness. Glory and grace, being the central features of the supernatural order, special reference will be made to them both in the exposition of errors and the establishment of the Catholic doctrine.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:46 pm
by Immanuel Can
Will Bouwman wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:17 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:38 pmSo you have looked in the back issues of your own sources, you say? And you remain unconvinced? :shock: Then either they did not join the other major news outlets in their common mendacity, or you cannot be convinced, perhaps.
Lockdown was fairly strict in the UK, so I had a lot of time to do a great deal of reading. I saw everything that you are talking about, so we can assume we have pretty much the same data set.
I didn't read the Guardian or watch the Beebs much. But if you saw what I saw, you know I'm telling the truth: in all those things, the media lied. They flipflopped. They contradicted themselves, but only when it became impossible to lie anymore.

I ask again: where is your COVID mask? Are you social distancing? Are your shops and schools closed down? When did you get your last injection? Are you hoarding toilet paper still? Are you afraid to visit elderly relatives? All those things were recommended to us as "the science" by the media and the government. Have you got an up-to-date 'vaccine' passport?

And they all lied (or were grossly incompetent, if you prefer). And you know it. What you are doing today shows you realize they lied.

Re: WOKE and proud of it....

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 1:20 pm
by Harbal
Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:46 pm
I ask again: where is your COVID mask? Are you social distancing? Are your shops and schools closed down? When did you get your last injection? Are you hoarding toilet paper still? Are you afraid to visit elderly relatives? All those things were recommended to us as "the science" by the media and the government. Have you got an up-to-date 'vaccine' passport?

And they all lied (or were grossly incompetent, if you prefer). And you know it. What you are doing today shows you realize they lied.
I'm very puzzled about why it is so important to you to get this message out. I wonder what you hope the outcome would be if everyone believed it. 🤔 Of course, I could say much the same of all your sinister little schemes.