Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:42 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:24 am
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:59 am
Before they were known about, there were no atoms.
And therefore, there are moral facts.
Sorted.
What sort of sorted critical thinking and logic is that??
All facts are conditioned upon a specific FSK.
In your dreams yes.
There were no fact-in-itself as atoms-in-themselves.
There were no crispy candy bars.
There is now facts of atoms as conditioned upon the science-chemistry-FSK.
Yes, but they are SUBJECT to human cognition.
Atoms do not exist by themselves absolutely.
Yes they do.
If I put a bullet through your head, what we like to call atoms of your carcass still persist, regardless of your perception of them.
That our model for "atoms" is an accurate one is a matter of speculation.
But far greater is the matter of morals which is SUBJECT to far more modelling and speculation since they do not even refer to material components of the universe. At least wat we call "atoms" have substance.
This cannot be said of morals.
The existence of atoms must be predicated explicitly or implicitly to the science-chemistry FSK.
No.
Atoms first then your imaginary "science-chemistryFSK" follows.
Your science-chemistry FSK only describes atoms.
Show me an atom that exists in-itself independent of the science-chemistry FSK and therefrom human conditions.
Can anyone claim "Atoms exists because I said so".
As Skepdick had mentioned, atoms are merely theoretical entities conditioned upon the science-chemistry FSK.
The concept and model of an atom has changed over time to the present one.
(btw, I have just passed a HarvardX Biochemistry Course, so don't try to pull a fast one on me) note the various models of an atom till the present with no absolute certainty nor will there ever be one.
No scientist has ever show a real empirical atom as with a real empirical apple.
Similarly there are no unqualified moral facts-in-themselves.
There are no moral facts.
You nearly have that right.
There are no unqualified moral facts-in-themselves; but,
There are moral facts that are qualified with the moral FSK.
One of the critical elements of morality is empathy; empathy is linked to mirror neurons.
Mirror neurons are represented by physical elements which can be verified via the scientific FSK and thereupon inputted into the moral FSK enabling objective moral facts.
This is one verification and justification of the existence of objective moral facts, thus in general morality is objective.
No.
The killer does not empathise the same way that the victims does.
QED the reaction to a given event being opposite in this case cannot be objective.
Note I stated 'in-general'.
Mirror neurons are inherent in
ALL humans and are represented by physical elements which can be verified via the scientific FSK and thereupon inputted into the moral FSK enabling objective moral facts.
Since they exist in ALL humans and not some humans, they are objective moral facts where they contribute to morality.
Since mirror neurons exist in ALL humans, they exist in whether the human is a killer or not.
Mirror neurons related to morality do exist in the killer; however in the case of the killer, his mirror neurons are weak or they are overwhelmed but the killers evil impulses to kill another humans.
As such, verification and justification of the existence of mirror neurons related to morality confirm the existence of objective moral facts, thus
in general morality is objective.
In addition to the above verification and justification, there are loads of other moral elements that can be traceable to its physical correlates via the scientific FSK and therefrom to the moral FSK enabling objective moral facts.
Morality-proper is not about rightness or wrongness of supposedly moral opinions, beliefs and judgment.
There is no morality proper
Why no morality proper.
At present what we have in most cases are
pseudo-morality where the focus is on the rightness and wrongness of moral actions.
Pseudo-morality has limited usefulness, but this subjective approach to morality had failed and hindered the progress of morality-proper to meet future needs.
What is morality-proper is the evolving inherent moral function with the brain and body of all humans; this morality proper is represented by physical neurons, genes, DNA, atoms and quarks which can be verified and justified scientifically.
It is only by differentiating morality-proper from pseudo-morality that humanity can expedite the progress of morality in the future.
