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Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:16 am
I used H as an example not because of reasons you said...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:59 amYeah, that's exactly why. Right now, he's a big issue to you...but he's none to me.
If H is not a big issue to you, what makes you think he is a big issue for me?
Only because you ranted about him for pages and pages, and even threatened to top yourself and your daughter because he'd hurt your feelings. That was a fair indicator.

Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.

Yes, in the past I was bothered and ranted on and on about him, I was mad as hell for him leaving me. But that unleashing of heated negative emotion does not change the fact that I absolutely adore and love him unconditionally, and that will never change, even now we have separated.

I said me and my daughter were suicidal that night, not that I was going to kill my own daughter, lets not mistake what I'd actually said, for not what I said, which you have said, not me... but so what, it was just emotion, both me and my daughter are ok at this moment in time. Still alive, both of us, and are doing just fine in the present time. Maybe that will change, but that's not for us to know yet.

Yes, H hurt my feelings, and I let the whole world know about it, that's just how I am as a person, because I feel like this forum is an extension of my own family, it's where I met Harbal, who I fell in love with and he fell in love with me, so I used the same place we'd met to vent my hurt feelings to my extended family including H

People can judge me harshly for that, and that would be their prerogative to do so, just as I judged H very harshly. I was hurting real bad, and wanted to die when he said he didn't want to be with me anymore. But right now, I do not want to die, and nothing has changed, I love H and that's all I have left to say about H right now.

I understand that men and women are not the same in the way they deal with emotions. I cannot change the way I act in any given moment, if H can't handle that, then I'm ok with it, I do not hate him for not being able to deal with my emotional outbursts. He has every right to dismiss me as not suitable to be his partner, and I am ok with that. Some people only like to experience the good in people, and reject the bad in them, I accept that about some people.

But in my world, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with they way I acted that night, it was a perfect expression of me, because I couldn't have played out any differently that how I did, if I could have acted differently then I would have, but I didn't. I couldn't, I was in the moment, and could never have changed the moment to be out of that moment, in that moment is how I behaved, I am spontaneous expression, not a pre-planned one.

Was there anything wrong with that moment when I ranted and raved IC? ..not for me there wasn't, but maybe for you, I don't know...if yes, then what was wrong with it? Is life not meant to be the way it is in any given moment? or is life meant to be another way, different to what it is already being in the exact same moment it is playing out, and how do you think that is possible to have been any different?

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:04 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:16 am

If H is not a big issue to you, what makes you think he is a big issue for me?
Only because you ranted about him for pages and pages, and even threatened to top yourself and your daughter because he'd hurt your feelings. That was a fair indicator.
Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.

Yes, in the past I was bothered and ranted on and on about him, I was mad as hell for him leaving me. But that unleashing of heated negative emotion does not change the fact that I absolutely adore and love him unconditionally, and that will never change, even now we have separated.

I said me and my daughter were suicidal that night, not that I was going to kill my own daughter, lets not mistake what I'd actually said, for not what I said, which you have said, not me... but so what, it was just emotion, both me and my daughter are ok at this moment in time. Still alive, both of us, and are doing just fine in the present time. Maybe that will change, but that's not for us to know yet.

Yes, H hurt my feelings, and I let the whole world know about it, that's just how I am as a person, because I feel like this forum is an extension of my own family, it's where I met Harbal, who I fell in love with and he fell in love with me, so I used the same place we'd met to vent my hurt feelings to my extended family including H

People can judge me harshly for that, and that would be their prerogative to do so, just as I judged H very harshly. I was hurting real bad, and wanted to die when he said he didn't want to be with me anymore. But right now, I do not want to die, and nothing has changed, I love H and that's all I have left to say about H right now.

I understand that men and women are not the same in the way they deal with emotions. I cannot change the way I act in any given moment, if H can't handle that, then I'm ok with it, I do not hate him for not being able to deal with my emotional outbursts. He has every right to dismiss me as not suitable to be his partner, and I am ok with that. Some people only like to experience the good in people, and reject the bad in them, I accept that about some people.

But in my world, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with they way I acted that night, it was a perfect expression of me, because I couldn't have played out any differently that how I did, if I could have acted differently then I would have, but I didn't. I couldn't, I was in the moment, and could never have changed the moment to be out of that moment, in that moment is how I behaved, I am spontaneous expression, not a pre-planned one.

Was there anything wrong with that moment when I ranted and raved IC? ..not for me there wasn't, but maybe for you, I don't know...if yes, then what was wrong with it? Is life not meant to be the way it is in any given moment? or is life meant to be another way, different to what it is already being in the exact same moment it is playing out, and how do you think that is possible to have been any different?

No one gets over being in love that quickly. It takes years, and sometimes never.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:13 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:13 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:53 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 1:59 am
You haven't been able to show even one.
It's written on this forum, look for it yourself if you want the evidence.
In other words, you don't have one either.

You do not have to believe that there is somewhere on this forum a character assessment of Harbal made by yours truly IC, by you the original author.

You can keep repeating you didn't make one, or say it, or write it, whatever, until the cows come home but that will not change the fact that you did actually make a personal character assessment of H based on his writing style in response to your posts, and vice versa, in your response to his posts.

You see it takes a two people to make a personal character assessment of someone. It take you the judge, and an other as the judged.

I'll try and find it if I get time. But at the moment I have no idea where it is now, it's lost deep into the past well dead and buried beneath the present.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:25 pm**

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:04 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
Only because you ranted about him for pages and pages, and even threatened to top yourself and your daughter because he'd hurt your feelings. That was a fair indicator.
Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.

Yes, in the past I was bothered and ranted on and on about him, I was mad as hell for him leaving me. But that unleashing of heated negative emotion does not change the fact that I absolutely adore and love him unconditionally, and that will never change, even now we have separated.

I said me and my daughter were suicidal that night, not that I was going to kill my own daughter, lets not mistake what I'd actually said, for not what I said, which you have said, not me... but so what, it was just emotion, both me and my daughter are ok at this moment in time. Still alive, both of us, and are doing just fine in the present time. Maybe that will change, but that's not for us to know yet.

Yes, H hurt my feelings, and I let the whole world know about it, that's just how I am as a person, because I feel like this forum is an extension of my own family, it's where I met Harbal, who I fell in love with and he fell in love with me, so I used the same place we'd met to vent my hurt feelings to my extended family including H

People can judge me harshly for that, and that would be their prerogative to do so, just as I judged H very harshly. I was hurting real bad, and wanted to die when he said he didn't want to be with me anymore. But right now, I do not want to die, and nothing has changed, I love H and that's all I have left to say about H right now.

I understand that men and women are not the same in the way they deal with emotions. I cannot change the way I act in any given moment, if H can't handle that, then I'm ok with it, I do not hate him for not being able to deal with my emotional outbursts. He has every right to dismiss me as not suitable to be his partner, and I am ok with that. Some people only like to experience the good in people, and reject the bad in them, I accept that about some people.

But in my world, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with they way I acted that night, it was a perfect expression of me, because I couldn't have played out any differently that how I did, if I could have acted differently then I would have, but I didn't. I couldn't, I was in the moment, and could never have changed the moment to be out of that moment, in that moment is how I behaved, I am spontaneous expression, not a pre-planned one.

Was there anything wrong with that moment when I ranted and raved IC? ..not for me there wasn't, but maybe for you, I don't know...if yes, then what was wrong with it? Is life not meant to be the way it is in any given moment? or is life meant to be another way, different to what it is already being in the exact same moment it is playing out, and how do you think that is possible to have been any different?
No one gets over being in love that quickly. It takes years, and sometimes never.

Honestly, I have to say, I've never been in love before, not until I met H

He was the one who made me realise I'd never loved anyone before, until I loved him. Thanks to H ... I was fortunate to know love for the very first time, and I am in awe of it's almighty powerful hold it has over me. I will never in a million years change the meeting of H for anything else in the entire world as long as I live. He is and will always be my eternal beauty.

I know this might sound rather sickly and nauseating but I cannot change the way H has made me feel.

I cannot unlove the love I have for H ... because I cannot fake love for someone. I can only love them for real.

His memory will always stay precious in my heart until the day I die. I really don't think he knows how much he is loved by me.

I do not even know why this love is there, it's like it's not even me that is making me love like that. It's just there, and I cannot make it not be there.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:32 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:16 am

If H is not a big issue to you, what makes you think he is a big issue for me?
Only because you ranted about him for pages and pages, and even threatened to top yourself and your daughter because he'd hurt your feelings. That was a fair indicator.
Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.

Well, you're over it now, you say. So no need to mention him, or the "issue" ever again.

We'd all welcome that, I'm quite certain.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:34 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:13 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:53 am
It's written on this forum, look for it yourself if you want the evidence.
In other words, you don't have one either.
You do not have to believe that there is somewhere on this forum a character assessment of Harbal made by yours truly IC, by you the original author.

You can't find one. That's because there isn't one. Sorry to disappoint you.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:42 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:34 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:13 pm
In other words, you don't have one either.
You do not have to believe that there is somewhere on this forum a character assessment of Harbal made by yours truly IC, by you the original author.
You can't find one. That's because there isn't one. Sorry to disappoint you.

I'm not disappointed. That's just your projection.

Kind of amusing that you still continue to make those character assessments that you continue to deny doing.

There is one, and you'll just have to believe me, I hate lying, I'd rather live a life free of guilty conscience if it's all the same to you.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:44 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:25 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:04 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm

Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.

Yes, in the past I was bothered and ranted on and on about him, I was mad as hell for him leaving me. But that unleashing of heated negative emotion does not change the fact that I absolutely adore and love him unconditionally, and that will never change, even now we have separated.

I said me and my daughter were suicidal that night, not that I was going to kill my own daughter, lets not mistake what I'd actually said, for not what I said, which you have said, not me... but so what, it was just emotion, both me and my daughter are ok at this moment in time. Still alive, both of us, and are doing just fine in the present time. Maybe that will change, but that's not for us to know yet.

Yes, H hurt my feelings, and I let the whole world know about it, that's just how I am as a person, because I feel like this forum is an extension of my own family, it's where I met Harbal, who I fell in love with and he fell in love with me, so I used the same place we'd met to vent my hurt feelings to my extended family including H

People can judge me harshly for that, and that would be their prerogative to do so, just as I judged H very harshly. I was hurting real bad, and wanted to die when he said he didn't want to be with me anymore. But right now, I do not want to die, and nothing has changed, I love H and that's all I have left to say about H right now.

I understand that men and women are not the same in the way they deal with emotions. I cannot change the way I act in any given moment, if H can't handle that, then I'm ok with it, I do not hate him for not being able to deal with my emotional outbursts. He has every right to dismiss me as not suitable to be his partner, and I am ok with that. Some people only like to experience the good in people, and reject the bad in them, I accept that about some people.

But in my world, in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with they way I acted that night, it was a perfect expression of me, because I couldn't have played out any differently that how I did, if I could have acted differently then I would have, but I didn't. I couldn't, I was in the moment, and could never have changed the moment to be out of that moment, in that moment is how I behaved, I am spontaneous expression, not a pre-planned one.

Was there anything wrong with that moment when I ranted and raved IC? ..not for me there wasn't, but maybe for you, I don't know...if yes, then what was wrong with it? Is life not meant to be the way it is in any given moment? or is life meant to be another way, different to what it is already being in the exact same moment it is playing out, and how do you think that is possible to have been any different?
No one gets over being in love that quickly. It takes years, and sometimes never.
Honestly, I have to say, I've never been in love before, not until I met H

He was the one who made me realise I'd never loved anyone before, until I loved him. Thanks to H ... I was fortunate to know love for the very first time, and I am in awe of it's almighty powerful hold it has over me. I will never in a million years change the meeting of H for anything else in the entire world as long as I live. He is and will always be my eternal beauty.

I know this might sound rather sickly and nauseating but I cannot change the way H has made me feel.

I cannot unlove the love I have for H ... because I cannot fake love for someone. I can only love them for real.

His memory will always stay precious in my heart until the day I die. I really don't think he knows how much he is loved by me.

I do not even know why this love is there, it's like it's not even me that is making me love like that. It's just there, and I cannot make it not be there.

For fuck sake.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:49 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:32 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:18 pm
Only because you ranted about him for pages and pages, and even threatened to top yourself and your daughter because he'd hurt your feelings. That was a fair indicator.
Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.
Well, you're over it now, you say. So no need to mention him, or the "issue" ever again.

We'd all welcome that, I'm quite certain.

I'm over the past yes, it doesn't exist for me anymore, except as a memory now.

If H crops up in conversation now, that's what will be happening, I have no control over what may happen or not happen.

Are you over your beloved yet, the God you love worship and adore? If you are, then why do you keep mentioning God?

Are you allowed to mention your beloved - but I'm not supposed to ?

Hypocrite.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:50 pm**

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:44 pm
For fuck sake.

Yeah all for the sake of fuck.

Seriously, it's TMI

I just miss him that's all.

I guess his memory will fade soon, or never, who knows.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:12 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:50 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:44 pm
For fuck sake.
Yeah all for the sake of fuck.

Seriously, it's TMI

I just miss him that's all.

I guess his memory will fade soon, or never, who knows.

You are the one who said you were over it. Make up your effing mind.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:52 pm**

accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:12 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:50 pm
accelafine wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:44 pm
For fuck sake.
Yeah all for the sake of fuck.

Seriously, it's TMI

I just miss him that's all.

I guess his memory will fade soon, or never, who knows.
You are the one who said you were over it. Make up your effing mind.

I can always change it, my mind. Anyone can change their mind any time they want to.

That's all I am ever doing, changing, for the better of for the worse, until death do I part from my two minds.

I'm over H ..but that does not mean I wont still miss him now and again. Think about him now and again.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:37 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:42 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:34 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:13 pm

You do not have to believe that there is somewhere on this forum a character assessment of Harbal made by yours truly IC, by you the original author.
You can't find one. That's because there isn't one. Sorry to disappoint you.
There is one, and you'll just have to believe me...

"Have to?" I "have to" do no such thing. There isn't one, and that's the most obvious reason why you couldn't find one. So no, I don't have to believe you, and neither does anybody else, for that matter.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:45 pm**

Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:49 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:32 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm
Of course it was a big issue at the time, but that was in the past, and it's not a big issue any more.
Well, you're over it now, you say. So no need to mention him, or the "issue" ever again.

We'd all welcome that, I'm quite certain.
I'm over the past yes, it doesn't exist for me anymore, except as a memory now.

I doubt that. If it were true, we'd never hear about it again. But witness the next line:

If H crops up

He doesn't. I didn't raise him. And I won't.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:49 pm**

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:37 pm
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:42 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:34 pm
You can't find one. That's because there isn't one. Sorry to disappoint you.
There is one, and you'll just have to believe me...
"Have to?" I "have to" do no such thing. There isn't one, and that's the most obvious reason why you couldn't find one. So no, I don't have to believe you, and neither does anybody else, for that matter.

You don't have to believe me, that's right. But I know that your reluctance to believe me is because you cannot believe me, because you've obviously forgotten what you said yourself, so you even doubt your own saying, regardless of whether I reminded you, you did say it. You cannot even remember what you definitely said. Why on earth would I just lie about something I know you said? Why would I go to all this bother, do you honestly think I am playing a mind fuck game with you just for fun or something, really, I'm not that screwed up as to do something like that. But maybe you think that's what I am doing, which says more about you than it does me.

Of course, No one is forcing you to believe me, but I already know your reluctance to believe me is because you cannot know what I know. Only when you know what I know will you know I've been right all along, and then you'll have to believe me. In fact you won't even have to believe me, it'll be self-evident.

I haven't even started looking for it yet, so yet again, you assume something that is not true. You are assuming I couldn't find one, when I haven't even started looking yet. The same thing happened when you assumed I was going to kill my own daughter, you just got your facts wrong on what you thought you had read. And was very much mistaken about what you thought you had read. I never said such a thing. You see how easy it is to misinterpret what people are actually saying. You need to learn to read properly.

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