WE NEED MORE GUNS..

[Skepdick]

I know your fetish is to do things for free.

And dressing up as a policeman, don't forget that.

Yes, and there's even a thread on this very forum for posting a picture of yourself. So wouldn't that be fun, to see him in his police officer uniform, proudly showing off his real self, and his big gun to boot.

Shame, that feeling of uncertainty must be so discomforting.

[Skepdick]

I know your fetish is to do things for free.

And dressing up as a policeman, don't forget that.

I know, right!

Dressing up as a policeman is the sort of nonsense policemen have to deal with.

[Dontaskme]

You don't trust me when I say that I am a police officer - you demand proof.

Q.E.D you are distrusting. And your misanthropy was addressed prior.

Ok I believe you.

Now, trust me when I tell you, I am not a misanthrope and sociopath. OK are we agreed on that?

[Dontaskme]

I know your fetish is to do things for free.

And dressing up as a policeman, don't forget that.

I know, right!

Dressing up as a policeman is the sort of nonsense policemen have to deal with.

Policemen are nothing special.

In fact there was a policeman here in Britain who befriended a young woman in distress, offered to escort her home safely, and then raped and murdered her in cold blood broad-daylight...or it might have been dark, not sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard

How can we trust anybody?

[commonsense]

But he might not be lying.

He is. I am a police officer

The onus is on you to prove if he really is lying as you accuse him of.

Why? He acused me of fantasizing about being a police officer.

Where's his evidence?

We the PN posters would like you to pony-up some legitimate form of official, not fake identification stating clearly and precisely your name and address, and do also enclose a genuine photograph of yourself, not fake. Do all these things that will definitely prove to us you are indeed who you say you are, a volunteer for a bona fide policeforce as a firearmed officer of law and order in South Africa.

Do I also have to write "STOOOPID" on my forehead with a black marker?

Please provide Real credible evidence with immediate effect

No.

or we won't have any reason to believe anything you tell us.

What other reason do you need except practicing the principle of charity on a Philsophy forum?

Thanks in advance.

My pleasure.

No evidence, no problem, we don't believe you, you can say you are a police officer until you are blue in the balls, but until you prove it, then your lying.

But most of Skepdick’s posts don’t hang on whether he’s a police officer or not anyway.

[Dontaskme]

But most of Skepdick’s posts don’t hang on whether he’s a police officer or not anyway.

I don't care what he is or isn't...anymore.

But he has said he's killed some guys. So I guess that could well be a clue to his real identity as a policeman.


But my point is, what's the point in talking about gun ownwership or none-gun ownership, it's not going to make a blind bit of difference whether we arm ourselves with guns or not if people do not have any problem killing someone with a gun. Until everyone says they have a problem killing other people with guns, then the killing will continue on indefinitely as long as man continues to be on the earth, and there will be nothing anyone can do about it.

If people have no problem killing other people with guns, then the killing will never cease, ever, whether we arm ourselves or not.

The killing stops, only when people change their mind about killing people. Guns have no power, the power is all in the mind of the people, it's people intentions to kill that has to stop...until then, no gun on earth will save your life, if someone is determined enough to kill you without having any problem about it whatsoever.

The whole gun debate is stupid now and pointless to discuss it, it's never going to go anywhere, but round and round in circles like most for and against discussions do.

I'm done with this thread.




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[commonsense]

There was a post earlier, where one of you asked Skepdick something about how it feels to have killed someone. I don’t know for certain what the question was, but I remember that his response was that that’s what therapists are for.

I’d like to add my personal experience with killing a human being. It wasn’t a murder, yet I feel guilty anyway and it has haunted me every day since.

I consider myself a pacifist and had no intention of killing anyone. But animal instincts took over and pushed all of my heartfelt pacifism aside.

If you want to know whether or not you would kill someone, I suggest that your animal nature will be spurred into action by the ultimately defining emotion of fear.

I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.

[commonsense]

OK, so we’re still stuck at either everyone has guns or no one (except the police and the military) has guns.

If everyone has at least one gun, theoretically everyone would be able to protect himself from someone else who has a gun.

If no one has any guns, then theoretically there would be no need for anyone to protect himself.

In practice, lots of people have guns in the US.

Therefore, on the whole it would be theoretically and practically more sensible to permit everyone to have guns.

Sadly, I must concede that Skepdik has been right all along.

I was anti-gun when this thread began, but Skepdick changed my mind. It makes more sense to arm and train everyone than to collect the guns that are out there.

[Skepdick]

There was a post earlier, where one of you asked Skepdick something about how it feels to have killed someone. I don’t know for certain what the question was, but I remember that his response was that that’s what therapists are for.

I’d like to add my personal experience with killing a human being. It wasn’t a murder, yet I feel guilty anyway and it has haunted me every day since.

I consider myself a pacifist and had no intention of killing anyone. But animal instincts took over and pushed all of my heartfelt pacifism aside.

If you want to know whether or not you would kill someone, I suggest that your animal nature will be spurred into action by the ultimately defining emotion of fear.

I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.

It's like the Spanish Inquisition has some pre-approved vocabulary for what you are allowed and not allowed to say; what you are and not allowed to feel; and what you are allowed and not allowed to think when you get put in a fucked up situation where all the options are shit.

Normal people don't want to do it.
Normal people get put in a situations where they have to do it.
Normal people hate the fact that they were put in such a fucked up situation and they endure the psychological cost thereof.
Normal people would do it again if they were put in the same fucked up situation.

Does any of this mean they do; or don't have a problem with it?

[commonsense]

There was a post earlier, where one of you asked Skepdick something about how it feels to have killed someone. I don’t know for certain what the question was, but I remember that his response was that that’s what therapists are for.

I’d like to add my personal experience with killing a human being. It wasn’t a murder, yet I feel guilty anyway and it has haunted me every day since.

I consider myself a pacifist and had no intention of killing anyone. But animal instincts took over and pushed all of my heartfelt pacifism aside.

If you want to know whether or not you would kill someone, I suggest that your animal nature will be spurred into action by the ultimately defining emotion of fear.

I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.

It's like the Spanish Enquisition has some pre-approved vocabulary for what you are allowed and not allowed to say; what you are and not allowed to feel; and what you are allowed and not allowed to think when you get put in a fucked up situation where all the options are shit.

Normal people don't want to do it.
Normal people get put in a situations where they have to do it.
Normal people hate the fact that they were put in such a fucked up situation and they endure the psychological cost thereof.
Normal people would do it again if they were put in the same fucked up situation.

Does any of this mean they do; or don't have a problem with it?

Amen.

[Harbal]

I was shot by a man impersonating a police officer, right outside the South African Embassy. I hope this explains where I'm coming from.

[Skepdick]

I was shot by a man impersonating a police officer, right outside the South African Embassy. I hope this explains where I'm coming from.

That's so unfortunate, I am so so sorry to hear that, but I am glad you survived!

Despite having outlawed guns some cop-impersonating asshole still got hold of one.

Why didn't your armed police get there in time to stop it?

[Dontaskme]

I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.

Yes, and that wish it had been you instead of someone else is exactly my point. Killing others is like as if you've killed yourself, for anyone who has a conscience, which is most people to be honest, because no one ever dreams of shooting their own head off, most people like being alive. Maybe there are some people without a conscience, or someone hopelessly suicidal, but I'm thinking those people are few and far between, but no one really knows what is going on inside another persons mind, we can only project what is going on inside our own mind.

The thing is, as long as we do not have a problem killing others, meaning, we prefer to kill other to save our own skin,a kill or be killed mentality, and in addition, we don't have a problem dealing with the ensuing psychological aftermath of what we have done, then the killing will never stop...PERIOD.. whether we own guns not..ABSOLUTELY nothing will ever protect us from our own minds when it does not have a problem with the intent to kill or be killed mentality. We can just as easily fight each other to the death in any dire fearful situation we find ourselves in with our bare hands, just like animals have to, but we do not have to use guns to do it, it's just so easy to put someone out with a gun, it's a cowards way of fighting. Until we stop not having a problem using guns to resolve our petty childish immature disputes or differences, then the killing will continue on and on and on whether we are armed to the hilt, or gunless, it will not make the slightest bit of difference to our way of life. No one is safe, as long as we continue to have the mind-set of it's not a problem to kill or be killed attitude using guns.

And no therapist on earth can cure you of your own mental state. That's a fallacy right off the bat, it's your own responsibility to cure yourself from your own self-inflicted mental state, not the job of someone else, who is probably more fucked up than you anyway for all you know.

I cannot make this any clearer. You either get it or you don't.

That's my last post on this thread.

[Harbal]

Why didn't your armed police get there in time to stop it?

Bad timing, basically. It happened to coincide with a flower arranging demonstration down at the local police station, and no one felt comfortable about leaving before it had finished. When the police did finally turn up, one of them was carrying the most gorgeous bouquet, with roses redder than my blood soaked shirt, which did actually manage to take a bit of the sting out of the situation. I have a photo somewhere of us posing together, just before they loaded me onto the ambulance and rushed me of to ICU.

[commonsense]

I have often wished that I had been killed so that I would not have to bear an involuntary self-imposed life sentence.

Yes, and that wish it had been you instead of someone else is exactly my point. Killing others is like as if you've killed yourself, for anyone who has a conscience, which is most people to be honest, because no one ever dreams of shooting their own head off, most people like being alive. Maybe there are some people without a conscience, or someone hopelessly suicidal, but I'm thinking those people are few and far between, but no one really knows what is going on inside another persons mind, we can only project what is going on inside our own mind.

The thing is, as long as we do not have a problem killing others, meaning, we prefer to kill other to save our own skin,a kill or be killed mentality, and in addition, we don't have a problem dealing with the ensuing psychological aftermath of what we have done, then the killing will never stop...PERIOD.. whether we own guns not..ABSOLUTELY nothing will ever protect us from our own minds when it does not have a problem with the intent to kill or be killed mentality. We can just as easily fight each other to the death in any dire fearful situation we find ourselves in with our bare hands, just like animals have to, but we do not have to use guns to do it, it's just so easy to put someone out with a gun, it's a cowards way of fighting. Until we stop not having a problem using guns to resolve our petty childish immature disputes or differences, then the killing will continue on and on and on whether we are armed to the hilt, or gunless, it will not make the slightest bit of difference to our way of life. No one is safe, as long as we continue to have the mind-set of it's not a problem to kill or be killed attitude using guns.

And no therapist on earth can cure you of your own mental state. That's a fallacy right off the bat, it's your own responsibility to cure yourself from your own self-inflicted mental state, not the job of someone else, who is probably more fucked up than you anyway for all you know.

I cannot make this any clearer. You either get it or you don't.

That's my last post on this thread.

Am I correct in saying that you are neither pro-gun nor anti-gun due to the grim outlook that neither position can stop the killing within and of itself?