Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:00 pm
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:32 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:22 pm
Well, think of it this way, Harry.
[Elaboration snipped]
With all of that laid out, I'm fairly agreeable with it.
However, I still want to flag a caveat of discomfort: you seemed to imply in your original statement that AJ
does consider "the Pogroms, Inquisitions, Crusades, and so on" to be genuinely Christian, and that you and I disagreed with him on that basis. As I have never seen him make an explicit statement to this effect, I'm not sure that he does take that view, and thus I am not sure that there is any disagreement. My
guess is that he would add his own caveat: yes, this is broadly under a Christian rubric, but not at all a healthy or genuinely spiritual and ethical expression of Christianity - but I don't want to put words into his mouth (even though I've just done that!).
Harry, as you well know I have what I think you have identified as a complex and somewhat troubling notion of 'how power actually functions in our world'. When Satan, in the picture-story, took the cartoon Jesus up above the World to look down on all the Kingdoms of the Earth, what perspective essentially operated there? What makes the world *bad* and *evil* and therefore satanic?
It is the world itself. It is the power-dynamic. It is nature that sets up systems where one being, to live, must literally devour another being. Understanding this seems so very important to me.
Christianity, in one sense, is a sort of neurotic reaction against the 'reality' of the way the world functions. The world functions that way now and the world will always function that way. I mean, nature will always function as it does. But I do not say that I do not think that we (humans) cannot create, within smallish spheres, more 'just' and 'fair' systems. That is what society is for, is it not?
The power dynamics of old Spain are power-dynamics that are being repeated, perhaps in even more extreme manner, today. All of the machinations to move the embassy to Israel, to cooperate with Israel in its projects, the remodeling of the Middle East, the establishment of global economic and trade-systems: it is all the same. And we live in it and we are
subsumed in it. America has an empire. It manages a world-empire. Just as Spain did but far larger and with more consequence, both good and bad.
This is one of the core ideas that I work with. A clear statement about 'the nature of the world'. All other systems and states compete in exactly this dynamic. There is no way out of that dynamic. I apologize if this is upsetting news to you.
Now, I know that all of these machinations are deeply troubling to you. I know that you cannot, in one sense, see them as they are but must see all of it as manifestations of evil (the conquest of Australia, the conquest of the American continent, etc).
In a sense I see things with
Satan's eyes. Or perhaps if I say I go along on the tour put together by satanic perspective -- Satan flying Jesus, the observing man, on the magic carpet to *see* the real working of things -- and therefore participate in Jesus's eyes?
The power-dynamic will always exist. It is part-and-parcel of the World. The only way out is through
absolute renunciation.
What Immanuel has referred to -- the Germanic movement to a) throw off the Hebrew idea-imperialism yoke, and b) the need and desire to return to pagan ideas and pagan paths and to validate these as genuine (in the Heideggerian sense) -- these things are extremely laden, fraught and difficult topics. I have made efforts to study these topics. And that alone places me in a questionable territory of intellectual work.
Now I have read George L. Mosse's
The Crisis of German Ideology: Intellectual Origins of the Third Reich as well as
The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany by Susannah Heschel (daughter of the famous Abraham Joshua Heschel) and I have read Julius Evola's
Fascism Viewed from the Right and many other titles (like Alain de Benoist) by those who critique, with tremendous power and sound reasoning, the Christian imperious construct (Hebrew idea-imperialism).
So I am very open, though not as prepared as I might like (this all takes time) to discuss any aspect of these issues.
But I simply want to point out, because it is true, that Immanuel has an extremely monistic position and conception. He literally believes that Jesus will come down out of the clouds and set up the Kingdom as
The Prince of Peace. Once one grasps his absolutist, fantastical and as I say fanatic position, then his *project* becomes far more clear. The implications of this strange way of seeing can then be unraveled. Carefully and cautiously.
I am open to looking at
all things. All the things that are manifest today.
