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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 12:18 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 12:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 11:35 pm
You've forgotten, Gary. You don't believe there ARE any objective moral standards. So even if what you were saying were true (and it's certanly not), it would not be wrong.

You've got no basis to criticize, if you deny the existence of any objective moral standards. You're just puffing wind, by your own account.

No. I don't know if there are any objective moral standards. You've forgotten that I'm agnostic.

Then you don't know whether you have any point or not. And you're not even a step closer to being able to prove that morality can be objective. So you're still puffing wind.

At least I'm not stupid enough to believe in the Bible and Yahweh. I may not know as much about theology as you think you do, however, I can spot a load of BS. Your God can go fuck himself for all I care. Now is your God going to "turn the other cheek" and send me to heaven for that remark or is your petty revengeful God going to send me to hell so he can get his revenge. You tell me, Moses.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 12:34 am You tell me, Moses.

I think I have nothing more to say. What you have said, you have said.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 20, 2026 8:37 pm
So how does he show anything at all to be "disgraceful"? He can't.

Trying to show by dissing won't do it.

Disgraceful is a three-part word.

Dis … slang for disrespect.
Grace … God’s kindness and help.
Ful … all filled up with grace.

Without the second or third part, all that’s left is the dissing. How can the bible be disgraceful when Grace is the central theme?

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

When graced, walking is GraceFul even for a one-year old who is learning to not fall down.


Question: Has God abandoned those in eternal hell?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:02 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 12:34 am You tell me, Moses.

I think I have nothing more to say. What you have said, you have said.

You're holier than I am. Congrats. The divine dungeon keeper will probably spare you from this shit show. At least, I suppose that's what you believe.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 7:46 am How can the bible be disgraceful when Grace is the central theme?

Because the God they (you?) worship is a monster, a divine dungeon keeper (if the Bible is accurate about the spiritual). God should be seeking our forgiveness, not the other way around. God threw us all in this fucked up world.

The people who brought us Donald Trump as the savior to humanity want Yahweh. What's next? What else must we all endure? Fuck it. Fuck Yahweh's world and the banshee it rode in on.

Demiurge

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 10:05 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 2:02 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 12:34 am You tell me, Moses.

I think I have nothing more to say. What you have said, you have said.

You're holier than I am. Congrats.

Not my point, Gary. By nature, I'm no better than you, or than others. Rather, my point is to avoid precipitating you into a worse situation than you are putting yourself. It's for your sake, whether you understand that or not.

Therefore I have done.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 3:58 pm Rather, my point is to avoid precipitating you into a worse situation than you are putting yourself. It's for your sake, whether you understand that or not.

Why would my situation get worse just for not approving of God? Am I going to damage his ego? Will God be hurt in any way if I think he should have made a world with less suffering in it? More specifically, is the Bible truly the word of God? God drowned everyone and demands repentance? He's like a prison warden looking for us inmates to repent for our alleged crimes against other humans? I would think it is the place of humans to forgive others for what others do against us? Or are we really guilty of some crime against God? And if so, what injury have we inflicted on the creator of all that is?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 4:29 pm Or are we really guilty of some crime against God?

Not "we," Gary. You. You decide what your relationship to God is, and will be. Nobody else can choose that, and you're choosing it right now.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 4:39 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 4:29 pm Or are we really guilty of some crime against God?

Not "we," Gary. You. You decide what your relationship to God is, and will be. Nobody else can choose that, and you're choosing it right now.

That's not an answer to my question. Am I guilty of some crime against God? And if so, what crime am I guilty of?

Question to AI:
Why is blasphemy a crime against God?

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 6:58 pm Question to AI:
Why is blasphemy a crime against God?

Well, mine is a natural intelligence but I'll give the answer a shot.

Blasphemy is a crime against God becuz it's a denial of good and -- equally offensive -- a denial of of one's self.

To blaspheme is to say everything is meaningless and I, along with everyone else, am nuthin' but meat. There can't be a more perfect set up for atrocity than that.

I can see how He might take a dim view of such things.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 9:23 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 6:58 pm Question to AI:
Why is blasphemy a crime against God?

Well, mine is a natural intelligence but I'll give the answer a shot.

Blasphemy is a crime against God becuz it's a denial of good and -- equally offensive -- a denial of of one's self.

To blaspheme is to say everything is meaningless and I, along with everyone else, am nuthin' but meat. There can't be a more perfect set up for atrocity than that.

I can see how He might take a dim view of such things.

Being mad at God leads to none of those things necessarily except in your imagination.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Feb 21, 2026 9:41 pm Being mad at God leads to none of those things necessarily except in your imagination.

You're right, bein' mad at God doesn't necessarily lead to blasphemy.

I didn't say it did.