A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

[Harbal]

There is a commandment about not hurting others, and I think that would cover the rape and pedophilia. If you have a different reading please present it.

Ask a priest, they seem to be among the group who don't see it like that.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

There is a commandment about not hurting others, and I think that would cover the rape and pedophilia. If you have a different reading please present it.

Ask a priest, they seem to be among the group who don't see it like that.

Apparently it's ok to covet your neighbour's husband.

[Londoner]

Hmm. Nothing here about not hurting anyone.

No, there isn't. Jews are not pacifists, most people aren't.

Your point?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Hmm. Nothing here about not hurting anyone.

No, there isn't. Jews are not pacifists, most people aren't.

Your point?

Follow the thread.

[Londoner]

Follow the thread.

I have been and it seems to have degenerated into little more than name-calling.

Jews are not stupid and for thousands of years people, including philosophers far smarter than either of us, have seen something in Judeo-Christian religion. So if we cannot see it, we should consider the possibility that we are not thinking very hard.

[uwot]

The OP wrote:

There's nothing in the Atheistic system that commits the Atheist to Ethics/Morals and Meaning for real. A Religious believer, of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Scientology, various others, is always committed to Ethics/Morals and Meaning for real because they are integral in the Religious systems! This is simply not the case in Atheism!

My question is this: Does any Atheist have anything by way of a moral value that is grounded by Atheism, and thus refutes his claim?

No, of course not, because there is no such thing as an Atheist. Nobody dresses up in their finery, on an Atheistic sabbath and congregates to listen to a man in a frock pontificating about the lack of a god.
It has been pointed out by many people that there is no such thing as "the Atheistic system", so it is not just me that Mr Can ignores. In fairness, he is abiding by his own principle:

If you don't like what I say, you always have the option to ignore it.

It is entirely Mr Can's prerogative to believe the things he does like and ignore the things he doesn't, just as it is my right to say that his vainglorious, genocidal maniac of a god can go fuck itself with a toilet brush. It has also been pointed out, that people create gods in their own image, so you can see where Mr Can's god gets its charming characteristics from.

Incidentally, in a follow up to an earlier post, there is no mention of hell in the old testament; all that fire and brimstone stuff is in the post Plato new testament. In other words, it is only with the arrival of Jesus that religion threatens to torture non-believers. What an idiot; if Jesus hadn't introduced eternal damnation, he wouldn't have to save us from it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Follow the thread.

I have been and it seems to have degenerated into little more than name-calling.

Jews are not stupid and for thousands of years people, including philosophers far smarter than either of us, have seen something in Judeo-Christian religion. So if we cannot see it, we should consider the possibility that we are not thinking very hard.

Patronising much. And what's that supposed to mean, 'Jews are not stupid'? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of stupid ones as well as clever ones, just like any other people. There has been a heck of a lot of philosophising, scientific discoveries made, and social evolution since the storybook was written. I was answering Doc's comment about hurting people. It really isn't that hard to find. And 'far smarter philosophers than us' are welcome to their opinion as I am to mine.

[Londoner]

Patronising much. There has been a heck of a lot of philosophising, scientific discoveries made, and social evolution since the storybook was written. I was answering Doc's comment about hurting people. It really isn't that hard to find. And 'far smarter philosophers than us' are welcome to their opinion as I am to mine.

It is a bit rich that you complain about being patronized after the dismissive way you write about theists.

Here is an example of your opinion:

Apparently it's ok to covet your neighbour's husband

Really? Is that really a criticism of Judaism informed by your study of philosophy, science and social evolution?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Patronising much. There has been a heck of a lot of philosophising, scientific discoveries made, and social evolution since the storybook was written. I was answering Doc's comment about hurting people. It really isn't that hard to find. And 'far smarter philosophers than us' are welcome to their opinion as I am to mine.

It is a bit rich that you complain about being patronized after the dismissive way you write about theists.

Here is an example of your opinion:

Apparently it's ok to covet your neighbour's husband

Really? Is that really a criticism of Judaism informed by your study of philosophy, science and social evolution?

Shame you are so literal and don't appear to have a sense of humour. Your question also makes no sense, grammatical or otherwise. And yes, I am dismissive of 'theists'. I have no respect for superstition in any of its forms. So? And don't kristians follow the OT? It's fundamentalist kristians who believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old.

[surreptitious57]

My question is this : Does any Atheist have anything by way of a moral value that is grounded by Atheism

I have already answered this for you : atheism is not a moral ideology so it cannot provide moral values

[Londoner]

I doubt if you are a Londoner with your complete lack of a sense of humour and literalism. Your question also makes no sense, grammatical or otherwise. And yes, I am dismissive of 'theists'. I have no respect for superstition in any of its forms. So? And don't kristians follow the OT? It's fundamentalist kristians who believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old. And I don't think Jesus ever mentioned gays.

Do you not know how to spell Christians? So what is the point of the funny spelling? It is like something in the playground.

And do you really think all Christians 'believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old'? Because if you don't, then why would you characterise them with that description? (Or, if you do believe it, then your idea of Christianity and Judaism is based on ignorance.)

Plainly you can find 'plenty of stupid Jews' as you put it, likewise Christians. And, believe it or not; atheists. However it is hardly creditable to pick on them as a subject for mockery, in order to make ourselves feel clever.

I think we should start off with a position of respect for those who differ from us. But then, I am a Londoner.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I doubt if you are a Londoner with your complete lack of a sense of humour and literalism. Your question also makes no sense, grammatical or otherwise. And yes, I am dismissive of 'theists'. I have no respect for superstition in any of its forms. So? And don't kristians follow the OT? It's fundamentalist kristians who believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old. And I don't think Jesus ever mentioned gays.

Do you not know how to spell Christians? So what is the point of the funny spelling? It is like something in the playground.

And do you really think all Christians 'believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old'? Because if you don't, then why would you characterise them with that description? (Or, if you do believe it, then your idea of Christianity and Judaism is based on ignorance.)

Plainly you can find 'plenty of stupid Jews' as you put it, likewise Christians. And, believe it or not; atheists. However it is hardly creditable to pick on them as a subject for mockery, in order to make ourselves feel clever.

I think we should start off with a position of respect for those who differ from us. But then, I am a Londoner.

You are the one who said 'Jews aren't stupid', when I hadn't even mentioned them. So go pick a fight with someone else who might have a smidgen of interest in your pathetic beliefs.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I did an impromptu polling exercise outside my local church, a couple of Sundays ago. On questioning the congregation, individually, as they left the church, I was shocked to discover that 90% of them had beaten up an elderly person within the previous six months, 45% had committed an act of genocide, and a further 12% would have liked to have committed one but for the lack of opportunity, 15% admitted to openly masturbating on public transport and half of them had had sex with a domestic animal, without it's consent. The only atheist I spoke to turned out to be the vicar, whose only crime, as he put it, seemed to be pandering to the "fucking idiots" sitting in the pews.
In contrast: Our local Boy Scout group, all atheists (although they're not allowed to admit it), each spend 20 hours per week doing odd jobs, running errands and collecting shopping for the older people in the community. One particularly accommodating young chap even did something (we're not sure what) to bring sexual relief to one old biddy who's hormones had suddenly resurged after 25 years of being nowhere to be seen. She never gave him so much as a thank you, and guess what, back in the day she used to be the local Sunday School teacher.
So, Emmanuel, and forgive me for saying this, but when you rattle on about atheists, quite frankly, I think you're making it all up.

OMG. How did I miss this gem??

[surreptitious57]

do you really think all Christians believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old

She clearly said that it was fundamentalist Christians who believed that and not all Christians as you said

[vegetariantaxidermy]

do you really think all Christians believe in Adam and Eve and think the Universe is 6 thousand years old

She clearly said that it was fundamentalist Christians who believed that and not all Christians as you said

Indeed. He's deliberately misconstruing everything I write.