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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:02 am

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:41 am I'm sorry i can't comment on any of that becuz the last time i explained what happened I said that that was the last time i would explain what happened. or was that at ILP. fuck i can't even remember. sorry, I've explained this so many times to so many morons across so many forums I've lost count.

and I apologize that any of this was ever brought up. I'd have never said a word about it if that dumb Australian bitch didn't mention it here.

I will say this tho. for certain reasons it is good that discussions about this are on record here and elsewhere. i want this material to be accessible to law enforcement and the courts.

My little helper will no doubt send printed copies of my posts to the district attorney like they did in 2010 if the DA doesn't make it here on his own (and I will certainly direct him here).

You keep bringing it up. Sounds as if your whole criminal 'justice' system is fucked up, just as it is here. Frankly I wouldn't be particularly pleased to have random strange men knocking on my door to tell me they had flashed someone in the past (why would I need to know that?), and if an actual raper of children did this then they would be lucky to escape with their life.

I can't believe he called you an Australian bitch...you're from New Zealand.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:20 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:02 am

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:41 am I'm sorry i can't comment on any of that becuz the last time i explained what happened I said that that was the last time i would explain what happened. or was that at ILP. fuck i can't even remember. sorry, I've explained this so many times to so many morons across so many forums I've lost count.

and I apologize that any of this was ever brought up. I'd have never said a word about it if that dumb Australian bitch didn't mention it here.

I will say this tho. for certain reasons it is good that discussions about this are on record here and elsewhere. i want this material to be accessible to law enforcement and the courts.

My little helper will no doubt send printed copies of my posts to the district attorney like they did in 2010 if the DA doesn't make it here on his own (and I will certainly direct him here).

You keep bringing it up. Sounds as if your whole criminal 'justice' system is fucked up, just as it is here. Frankly I wouldn't be particularly pleased to have random strange men knocking on my door to tell me they had flashed someone in the past (why would I need to know that?), and if an actual raper of children did this then they would be lucky to escape with their life.

I can't believe he called you an Australian bitch...you're from New Zealand.

Thank you for letting me know. I was wondering recently which piece of rock I live on...

He was referring to reasonvemotion, which you know. Sorry to break this to you but you just aren't funny--only annoying.

No worries skip.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm but you're missing the real fuckedupedness of these laws anywhere they exist, veg. and this is profoundly philosophical stuff so put your thinking cap on.

Do 'these laws' even exist in ANY other country than that 'fuckedup one' known, laughingly, as the "united states of america"?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm what happens when the state sabotages a person's life such that they cannot get on with their private life in the public sphere? example. the state convicts a person. that conviction prevents him from obtaining employment, from finding housing, from making friends, from being able to move freely, etc., and as a result he falls apart. what happens if as a result of these restrictions, this lack of rights, opportunities and privileges (that everybody else has), he becomes jobless and homeless and then has to break the law to survive (if he doesn't do it out of pure disgust first)? what does the state do? arrest him again.

see what just happened there? the state destroys him and then arrests him for having to break the law... becuz the state destroyed him. see the circle?

granted this doesn't happen to all of em. but it need not to be one of the most relevant, most rich philosophical dilemmas ever to enter your brain piece. if it happens to just one sex offender, that's all it takes.

LOL

'you', adult human beings, have been DOING 'this' TO 'children' for millennia 'now'. BUT, ONLY when 'this' happens to an 'adult', then 'we' START to hear and see the WHINGING, CRYING, or UNFAIRNESS of 'the situation'.

BECAUSE of 'your', adult, built JUDGING, RIDICULING, and PUNISHING 'societies' 'this misbehavior' has been going on for millennia, anyway. YET, and LAUGHINGLY, to 'you' 'this behavior' has ONLY 'just now' BECOME the so-called 'most rich philosophical dilemma, EVER, to enter your brain.

The MAIN REASON WHY ANY one of 'you', adults, end up in goal IS BECAUSE of the JUDGING, RIDICULING, and/or PUNISHING when 'they' WERE 'a child'.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm now if you add to this the fact that our guy was not guilty of the crimes he was convicted of by the state, this situation becomes all the more disgusting and incomprehensible.

you keep CLAIMING that you are NOT GUILTY of some crime, which you have become a labeled 'sex offender' for, but from what I have ascertained from what you DID, according to your OWN words, then what you DID WAS and IS a sexual offence, AGAINST 'a child', in that state that you were in, and thus it is permitted to put on some child sex offender list.

So, what are you ACTUALLY GUILTY OF, and NOT GUILTY OF, here EXACTLY?

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm so the fuckedupedness is not really about how much everybody hates the sex offender now - speaking for myself i wouldn't want to be friends with any morons anyway so i don't mind the alienation... but normal sex offenders are morons too so they are probably greatly effected by being alienated from the other morons in society, I dunno. the fuckedupedness lies in the state's corruption and incompetence....

Well it IS, and WAS, 'you', adult human beings, who VOTE people IN to CREATE the 'human made laws', which 'you' then HAVE TO FOLLOW and ABIDE BY. Or, in other words, that 'society' and 'way of life' that 'you', adult human beings, are living IN IS 'the one' that 'you', adult human beings, have HELPED CREATE.

AND, the BIGGEST CAUSE of WHY 'societies' have 'ended up', 'fucked up' as some would say, IS BECAUSE of the VERY 'thing' that 'you', "promethean75", are DOING here. That is; WANTING EVERY one to DO 'things' FOR 'you', INSTEAD of 'you' WANTING TO DO 'things' to MAKE 'society' BETTER for EVERY one "ELSE".

'you' here CRYING and WHINGING ABOUT, I WANT to be taken off some list, and have what I ACTUALLY DID IGNORED and FORGOTTEN ABOUT, so "others" will STOP JUDGING and RIDICULING 'me' IS EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL WHEN and WHILE 'you' WANT TO KEEP JUDGING and RIDICULING "others" "yourself".

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm but that fact goes back hundreds if not thousands of years and is another discussion altogether. it's just that this incompetence can't be revealed until guys like me come along. somebody has to 'go under' to bring out this truth.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. BUT, FIRST 'one' HAS TO LEARN HOW TO be ABLE TO BE LISTENED TO, HEARD, and BE UNDERSTOOD, FULLY, by 'you', adult human beings, BEFORE 'the ACTUAL Truth' can be BROUGHT-FORTH and BE REVEALED.

'Going UNDER', so as the ACTUAL Truth can be REVEALED, and UNDER-STOOD, WILL NOT WORK by COMPLAINING and WHINGING and WANTING 'what you ACTUALLY DID' to BE CHANGED.

'you', LITERALLY, HAVE TO CHANGE "your" 'self' FIRST, BEFORE 'you' COULD HELP "others" TO CHANGE. BUT, if 'you' WANT TO KEEP 'trying to' "justify", "rationalize", and/or "minimize" WHAT YOU DID, then 'you' will NEVER CHANGE, for the BETTER.

Oh, and by the way, one can NEVER ACTUALLY 'justify' the Wrong in which they DO. Which, also by the way, EVERY one of 'you', adult human beings, DO DO. Although ALL of 'you' LOVE TO PRETEND that 'you' DO NOT.

ONLY WHEN 'you' BEGIN to ADMIT the Wrong that 'you' ALL DO, SEEK to CHANGE 'those ways', and are Truly OPEN and Honest about ALL and EVERY 'thing', then ONLY THEN the Truths OF Life WILL START BEING REVEALED, TO 'you'.

BUT, Honestly WHO could ACTUALLY BE Truly OPEN and Honest about ALL of the Wrong that 'you', adults, DO, TO children, IN the societies that 'you' ALL now live IN, in the days when this is being written?

With the CONSEQUENCES of BEING JUDGED, RIDICULED, and/or PUNISHED for JUST BEING Honest, like "promethean75" IS BEING here, there IS absolutely NO WONDER the rest of 'you' are LIVING, and HIDING, IN FEAR.

Although NONE of 'you' YET have the AWARENESS to RECOGNIZE and SEE 'this FEAR' for what 'it' Truly IS, and IS CAUSING and CREATING.

'you', "promethean75", have to be Truly CONGRATULATED for BEING as Honest as 'you' have been here. However, 'you' are NOT going to get ANY sympathy WHILE 'you' KEEP BLAMING "others" FOR what 'you' DID TO 'them', AND especially WHEN the "others" ARE children.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm what's so sweet about all this is that while others don't have anything directly to do with this, they become indirectly involved once they express an opinion about it. it's like a brain bomb and they don't know what to do becuz it's not a neat little logical problem in a text book.

HOW TO SOLVE ANY and ALL 'problems' here is ALREADY KNOWN.

HOW TO GET 'you', adult human beings, to BECOME Truly OPEN and Honest so that ALL 'problems' CAN BE and WILL BE RE-SOLVED here is ALSO ALREADY KNOWN.

HOWEVER, GETTING 'you', adult human beings, TO JUST LISTEN, just takes SOME TIME.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:26 pm they scramble about trying to make excuses to defend law, order and the state, or blame the offender, but all this falls apart at the slightest probing (if one is interested enough in even bothering with it).

But are 'you' NOT 'scrambling about' here 'trying to' 'make excuses' to 'try to' 'defend' what 'you' DID, while 'trying to' BLAME the ACTUAL 'victim'?

So, IN ESSENCE, are 'you' just NOT DOING the EXACT SAME 'thing', which 'you' are ACCUSING "others" of DOING?

If Fact, are NOT ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ESSENTIALLY just 'running around', or 'scrambling about', 'trying to' DEFEND your OWN 'misbehaviors', while ALSO 'trying to' BLAME "others" for what 'it' IS that 'you' ARE ESSENTIALLY DOING?

A Truly Honest REFLECTION WILL SHOW the Truly Honest Truth here.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:51 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:20 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:02 am

You keep bringing it up. Sounds as if your whole criminal 'justice' system is fucked up, just as it is here. Frankly I wouldn't be particularly pleased to have random strange men knocking on my door to tell me they had flashed someone in the past (why would I need to know that?), and if an actual raper of children did this then they would be lucky to escape with their life.

I can't believe he called you an Australian bitch...you're from New Zealand.

Thank you for letting me know. I was wondering recently which piece of rock I live on...

He was referring to reasonvemotion, which you know. Sorry to break this to you but you just aren't funny--only annoying.

I honestly did not know. (that reaseonvemotion was Australian)

"You have to admit that people need to be protected against paedophiles and other predatory monsters don't you?"

my first question to any parent with the above concern is: why would u bring a child into this shit world in the first place, knowing there are pervs everywhere?

quiz question: who's fault is it if a parent's child is sexually assaulted? the parent, the offender, god? careful, these questions of causality are extremely complex.

now the actual answer is 'nobody's fault but god's (if god exists)' becuz there is no such thing as freewill. but let's pretend that there is freewill and god is not responsible for everything that happens in the universe. why would u absolve a parent of responsibility if and when they deliberately bring a child into this shit world knowing what might happen to it?

(p.s. this is a rhetorical question meant only to confuse and baffle u)

here's some facts for u to meditate on, taken from: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... registries

Most sex crimes are committed by someone known to the victim, and thus, once identified, they no longer have access to potential victims. In fact, 93 percent of all sex crimes against children are committed by someone known to the victim, such as a family member, friend, or community member.

Almost all (95 percent) of sex crimes are committed by someone who would not be on the sex offender registry—which means that only 5 percent of reoffending could be prevented by these registries.

Sex offenders have relatively low reoffending rates—a large scale study of over 29,000 convicted sex offenders found that 13.7 percent reoffended sexually

There is evidence that sex offender registries may actually increase the risk of reoffending by destabilizing the offender as they try to reintegrate back into the community.

Sex offender registries are fraught with error. Studies have found that anywhere between 10-75 percent of all entries in the registries have some sort of factual error.

pay close attention to #4. now watch this: to continue supporting SORNA even after understanding these facts means that you want nintety-five percent of sex offenders to suffer life sentences and be hated by everyone so that you can (hopefully, not certainly) prevent that tiny five percent from reoffending and assulting children that the parents are responsible for bringing into this world in the first place.

see what I just did there?

now the criminal justice system knows all this shit. in fact, they're the ones who have examined the data and come to these conclusions. so why does SORNA still exist? becuz the ones who design and support it aren't the ones suffering from it, and there's a very lucrative market for sex crimes in the criminal courts.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:18 am "You have to admit that people need to be protected against paedophiles and other predatory monsters don't you?"

my first question to any parent with the above concern is: why would u bring a child into this shit world in the first place, knowing there are pervs everywhere?

quiz question: who's fault is it if a parent's child is sexually assaulted? the parent, the offender, god? careful, these questions of causality are extremely complex.

now the actual answer is 'nobody's fault but god's (if god exists)' becuz there is no such thing as freewill. but let's pretend that there is freewill and god is not responsible for everything that happens in the universe. why would u absolve a parent of responsibility if and when they deliberately bring a child into this shit world knowing what might happen to it?

(p.s. this is a rhetorical question meant only to confuse and baffle u)

here's some facts for u to meditate on, taken from: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... registries

Most sex crimes are committed by someone known to the victim, and thus, once identified, they no longer have access to potential victims. In fact, 93 percent of all sex crimes against children are committed by someone known to the victim, such as a family member, friend, or community member.

Almost all (95 percent) of sex crimes are committed by someone who would not be on the sex offender registry—which means that only 5 percent of reoffending could be prevented by these registries.

Sex offenders have relatively low reoffending rates—a large scale study of over 29,000 convicted sex offenders found that 13.7 percent reoffended sexually

There is evidence that sex offender registries may actually increase the risk of reoffending by destabilizing the offender as they try to reintegrate back into the community.

Sex offender registries are fraught with error. Studies have found that anywhere between 10-75 percent of all entries in the registries have some sort of factual error.

pay close attention to #4. now watch this: to continue supporting SORNA even after understanding these facts means that you want nintety-five percent of sex offenders to suffer life sentences and be hated by everyone so that you can (hopefully, not certainly) prevent that tiny five percent from reoffending and assulting children that the parents are responsible for bringing into this world in the first place.

see what I just did there?

now the criminal justice system knows all this shit. in fact, they're the ones who have examined the data and come to these conclusions. so why does SORNA still exist? becuz the ones who design and support it aren't the ones suffering from it, and there's a very lucrative market for sex crimes in the criminal courts.

I've lost whatever smidgen of sympathy I had for you. You are just too obnoxious. I wasn't even disagreeing with you. I couldn't care less what insane Americans do in their country. I'm just glad I don't have freaks knocking on my door to let me know they are living in the area. I don't need them to do that. I can see them anyway. It's not as if women don't have a radar for creeps.

lol I remember going to a family dinner at a restaurant shortly after getting out of prison the first time. me, the miserable old piece of shit hag, a couple aunts, a cousin, his wife and their two year old son.

we're sitting around the table and there's an awkwardness that's so thick u can feel it in the air. I find out later that my cousin Lee was affraid that i wanted to sexually assault his two year old son.

this is what my family thinks about at a family dinner. Good times man.

I haven't talked to any of them since (2014) and never will again.

No you're good veg. I realized u were an imbecile three days into my PN membership, so no worries.

Ya, you had no free will, Ted Bundy had no free will. Fuck off.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:28 am No you're good veg. I realized u were an imbecile three days into my PN membership, so no worries.

I wish I was an imbecile. It would make life a lot easier, and I wouldn't get so irritated by moaning myrtles like you with no reading comprehension skills and a giant chip on their shoulder. If you don't want anyone to comment then shut the fuck up about it! Go and live in Canada then. Or Mexico.

I don't consider prom a sex offender tho..

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:40 am I don't consider prom a sex offender tho..

It doesn't matter what we think. According to the law in his country he is one. I think it's a terrible system but he's so fucking combative about it that there's no point in being involved in his personal nightmare further. You are just as bad as each other.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:44 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 11:40 am I don't consider prom a sex offender tho..

You are just as bad as each other.

What does that mean?

"Ted Bundy had no free will"

ya know what's so cool about Ted the Bundbarian? he was adamant in insisting that nothing be blamed for what he did but himself. he would explain and describe the antecedent conditions/factors that fostered his compulsion (violent porn, alcohol) but ultimately took credit, wanted credit, for his actions.

isn't that fuckin bananas? most guys wanna blame everything else but sexy Ted was like nah bruh that was ALL ME.

that's so fuckin sexy I don't even know what to do.

u gotta do some research tho becuz everybody and their brother who writes about sexy Ted claims that we was constantly trying to avoid responsibility. the fuckin guy said it as clear as day and these knuckleheads keep right on babbling.