Re: Christianity
Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:33 pm
Maybe it would be helpful to remind that by "consciousness" most people mean waking awareness
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The UK is still a Christian country.RWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
EXACTLY. I rescind my prior remark. It's not a joke to accuse another man of being psychotic. Accusations like that have consequences. They can get people locked up against their will. So, phyllo: take your accusation and shove it where the sun don't shine.
I'm going to have to report you to a moderator for making a post which is relevant to the subject of this thread.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:38 pmThe UK is still a Christian country.RWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.
Stop acting like a lunatic and you won't get locked up.Harry Baird wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:39 pmEXACTLY. I rescind my prior remark. It's not a joke to accuse another man of being psychotic. Accusations like that have consequences. They can get people locked up against their will. So, phyllo: take your accusation and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
Please don't I do not want to be banned!!!phyllo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:42 pmI'm going to have to report you to a moderator for making a post which is relevant to the subject of this thread.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:38 pmThe UK is still a Christian country.RWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.
Is it possible to know to what extent and with which demographic the Xian moral code is still the goal of good behaviour?Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:38 pmThe UK is still a Christian country.RWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.
I'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:51 pmAlthough it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.
Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.
FFS, read my post above.Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:52 pmIs it possible to know to what extent and with which demographic the Xian moral code is still the goal of good behaviour?Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:38 pmThe UK is still a Christian country.RWStanding wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:23 am Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.
The C of E is established as part of the State. Archbishops, and Bishops are appointed by Parliament and the sit in the House of Lords. And the Monarch is defender of the Faith Dei Gratia Fidel Defensor
Christianity has never been about freedom of the individual will, nor informed conformity to altruist values. Christianity has always been about social control and the imposition of elite values upon the population.
It was not so very long ago (when the UK was unmistakably Xian) , that you could be fined for going to church and executed for atheism.
What has happened is that reason has prevailed and many have seen the church for what it is, and it has simply lost its authority.
The Bishops too have parted with the old ways, and when they keep their heads down below the parapet can still have some influence on policy in a very minor way.
...and that will lead us down the path of more corruption and elitism - so thanks a fucking lot!Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:52 pmI'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:51 pmAlthough it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.
Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.
LOLattofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:54 pm...and that will lead us down the path of more corruption and elitism - so thanks a fucking lot!Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:52 pmI'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:51 pm
Although it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.
Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.
Free of the old authority, free of theocracy, yes, insofar as we in the west underwent a scientific enlightenment. However all societies need their moral code whatever that be. Modern Humanism arose via the Protestant tradition and the subsequent age of reason.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:52 pmI'll tell you why you can be free - it is because the power of Christianity has been broken.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:51 pmAlthough it often pains me to admit I am a Christian, contrary to the above, I do have individual freedom, and I do live my life as best I can to altruistic values. I feel no "social control" over me, anymore than an atheist might.
As far as the imposition of "elite values upon the population" - well, that's UK politics in a nutshell - a bunch of self indulgent materialistic cunts all in bed with their elite silver spoon fed rich mates from school times that get inside first hand knowledge of policies that will benefit their private companys.
Fuck all to do with Christ's teachings.
You can thanks the skeptics and atheists for that.