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Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:54 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:18 pm Who protects the children that parents/adults don't?

Often, nobody does. The government sure can't...it doesn't do anything very well.

Clearly, revenge is the only thing God can do for victims.

No, God is quite able both to deal out justice and also to reward so extravagantly that the sorrows of this life pale into insignificance. After all, a billion years after this life, the entire span of some 70 or 75 years will seem less than a blink; there is a vast vista of joy possible, and a limit to evil.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm And yes, I think it can be hard to overcome that sort of indoctrination.

Living in cloudcookooland, I suppose it seems that way to you the way you've been indoctrinated. You don't know anything that you claim to.

Immanuel Cant wrote:Did you see the movie "The Sound of Freedom"? You should. Child trafficking is horrendous stuff. And somebody who had experienced it would have every right to be angry with the perps, and to call upon God to perform justice upon them...which He most certainly will. Fair enough.

Please.

Either the Christian God is omnipotent and -- presto! -- in the blink of an eye He can end the suffering of all children forevermore, or He has His Divine reasons for doing nothing at all. Not only in regard to sex-trafficking, but also regarding those 10,000+ children that die from starvation every single day. And then these children: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... _disorders

Or the estimated 2,000,000 still births and 23,000,000 miscarriages a year around the globe?

Here are two attempts to explain the Christian God and the suffering of children.

https://youtu.be/fqnBBIahyKI?si=RSIyaLbz3XXtK3EE
https://youtu.be/bj6nOxKODUk?si=L50MU0fAnve-RlYb

How about IC viewing them and then coming back with what he construes to be examples of Logic 101 in their assessments.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:58 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:54 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm
Often, nobody does. The government sure can't...it doesn't do anything very well.

Clearly, revenge is the only thing God can do for victims.

No, God is quite able both to deal out justice and also to reward so extravagantly that the sorrows of this life pale into insignificance. After all, a billion years after this life, the entire span of some 70 or 75 years will seem less than a blink; there is a vast vista of joy possible, and a limit to evil.

BULL-SHIT

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm Salvation is real. So there's still hope.

So remember Harbal, Jesus that dead guy is real, and unless you impersonate him and be him, you will forever walk in darkness.

So you better walk with Jesus ok, it's your only salvation, there's still hope for you.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:30 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm Salvation is real. So there's still hope.

So remember Harbal, Jesus that dead guy is real, and unless you impersonate him and be him, you will forever walk in darkness.

So you better walk with Jesus ok, it's your only salvation, there's still hope for you.

I don't know. If Harbal "walks the path of Jesus" does that mean he'll have to be nailed to a cross and murdered too? At least Socrates seems to have gone out a little less violently. I'll go with Socrates. At least he knew what he didn't know. Many people don't even know that much.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:59 pm The religion they are taught, if they are unlucky enough to be born into a culture that requires it, or have parents that are misguided enough to insist on it. Not the cruellest form of child abuse, but one of the most calculated and hardest to overcome.

Actually, you and I can sort of agree on that.

To raise a child in a false ideology is a form of child abuse. And to raise a child with no concept of a loving God at all is surely the cruelest such form of abuse, since it stands not only to harm them in this life, but forever.

So the only difference between us is that I would do away with just one more God than you.

And yes, I think it can be hard to overcome that sort of indoctrination.

"Give me a child till he’s seven, and I will show you the man."

But not impossible. Salvation is real. So there's still hope.

I would like to think so, but once someone gets God into their head, it's a Devil of a job getting him out.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:46 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:30 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm Salvation is real. So there's still hope.

So remember Harbal, Jesus that dead guy is real, and unless you impersonate him and be him, you will forever walk in darkness.

So you better walk with Jesus ok, it's your only salvation, there's still hope for you.

I don't know. If Harbal "walks the path of Jesus" does that mean he'll have to be nailed to a cross and murdered too?

No, the sacrifice that Jesus made was a scam, there was no sacrifice, Jesus rose from his death remember. He didn't die to save us, he died to save his own skin, it was he who rose from the dead, not us.
But if the sacrifice is/was true, then that's why we must continue to disbelieve in our salvation through the selfless act of Jesus, who only died for himself, else his sacrifice would have been in vain, because Jesus and his daddy are one and the same being.

We therefore, must make Jesus's sacrifice if it is/ was true, to be not demonstrated to have be in vain, by continuing to be evil sinners, so then Jesus would at least have not had to have gone through what he went through in vain. So we must continue to be evil sinners, so that he would have had an actual reason and purpose for being murdered, even though it was all just a scam anyway.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:17 pm "Give me a child till he’s seven, and I will show you the man."

Maybe. It doesn't always work out that way. There's lots of life after 7. The teen years are pretty darn profound, too.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:30 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm Salvation is real. So there's still hope.

So remember Harbal, Jesus that dead guy is real, and unless you impersonate him and be him, you will forever walk in darkness.

So you better walk with Jesus ok, it's your only salvation, there's still hope for you.

Do I get to write my own gospel?

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:23 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:30 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm Salvation is real. So there's still hope.

So remember Harbal, Jesus that dead guy is real, and unless you impersonate him and be him, you will forever walk in darkness.

So you better walk with Jesus ok, it's your only salvation, there's still hope for you.

Do I get to write my own gospel?

✍ The Pen is mighty, oh yes, yes, yes please use it.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:56 pm To raise a child in a false ideology is a form of child abuse. And to raise a child with no concept of a loving God at all is surely the cruelest such form of abuse, since it stands not only to harm them in this life, but forever.

Really you bring up the crucial essence of the problem ‘we’ face when we face you: what do we say to our children? How do we describe the world? Do we teach them to confront tragic existence boldly and realistically? Or train them up in Christian — or any — mythology?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:33 pm

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:23 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:30 pm

So remember Harbal, Jesus that dead guy is real, and unless you impersonate him and be him, you will forever walk in darkness.

So you better walk with Jesus ok, it's your only salvation, there's still hope for you.

Do I get to write my own gospel?

✍ The Pen is mighty, oh yes, yes, yes please use it.

I know how to gossip. Does that count too?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:33 pm Children don't have many choices.

And I guess the Bible indicates that God will judge them as sinners anyway.

We cannot simply assume that children are “innocent” and are therefore exempt from the penalties of sin. The Bible teaches clearly that infants are in a state of sin and need to be regenerated. They, like all humanity, can be saved only through Christ.

Ps. 51:5 — “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.”

John 3:6 — “That which is born of the flesh is flesh.”

How can infants be saved by Christ if they never even hear about him?

Why would God condemn countless babies? What's your view on that?

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:23 pm Do I get to write my own gospel?

The 'Gospel of Harbal' -- one of the lost books from the Sacred Book of Realities