Philosophy Now Forum

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 5:07 am
The wretches have no respect for philosophy...or economics...or gastronomy.

Language is limited. It's only half the truth, not even half of the full story we are attempting to philosophise about.

When it comes to truth claims, all you, we have got, is (Belief) especially the belief in God. Belief, is not the same as Knowing.
The bible has spoken: ''thou shalt not have other gods before me''

So who exactly is claiming to know God? and wouldn't that make the claimer a God as well? So who exactly is this 'other' that claims to know God?

Also, IC...exactly 'Who' is a wretch? or are you not going to reveal the name of this claimed 'wretch' you seem to know so much about...rather, are you just going to keep the 'name' hidden from ever seeing the light of day...

Are you going to reveal 'Who' is a wretch? that only seems to exist deep within the slimey caverns of your own 3Ib or more like 600Ib in your case piece of silvery grey, slippery raw piece of meat, you call a brain? Do tell, do reveal the true identity of the ''WRETCH'' oh judgemental one.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:25 am

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:07 am "Did Jesus Christ commit suicide?"

I heard there's a gospel or book that was either omitted from the King James bible when it was conceived or it was found long after the King James bible was published and wasn't added, that has something about your homeboy jesus conspiring beforehand to have whatshisname crucify him, setting everything up. Like J was pulling a Socrates and making a stylish martyr of himself.

Yes, thanks for that. I've heard of that too, and his why I chose to bring up the idea here.

I'm still waiting for IC the Christians reply to that question, but so far..there's only been silence.

Not surprisingly uncommon though, as IC is renowned for being a serial avoidant when it comes to dealing with the very hard christian questions.

There's no need to be a card- carrying Christian to answer that question Why would you think Christians are especially good at answering theological questions. IC is good at Biblical quotations and there is no reason to think he is a hypocrite because he is not as good at history as he may be if he paid attention to it.

Answer for yourself about who the historical Jesus was. Answer for yourself as to who or what the Christ of faith was or is.
As for quibbling about the proper applications of the term 'suicide' this is a waste of your time because circumstances alter cases.

I do scorn Prometheus's use of the word 'stylish' which trivialises two of the greatest thinkers in recorded history.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:21 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:25 am

promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 12:07 am "Did Jesus Christ commit suicide?"

I heard there's a gospel or book that was either omitted from the King James bible when it was conceived or it was found long after the King James bible was published and wasn't added, that has something about your homeboy jesus conspiring beforehand to have whatshisname crucify him, setting everything up. Like J was pulling a Socrates and making a stylish martyr of himself.

Yes, thanks for that. I've heard of that too, and his why I chose to bring up the idea here.

I'm still waiting for IC the Christians reply to that question, but so far..there's only been silence.

Not surprisingly uncommon though, as IC is renowned for being a serial avoidant when it comes to dealing with the very hard christian questions.

There's no need to be a card- carrying Christian to answer that question Why would you think Christians are especially good at answering theological questions. IC is good at Biblical quotations and there is no reason to think he is a hypocrite because he is not as good at history as he may be if he paid attention to it.

Answer for yourself about who the historical Jesus was. Answer for yourself as to who or what the Christ of faith was or is.
As for quibbling about the proper applications of the term 'suicide' this is a waste of your time because circumstances alter cases.

I do scorn Prometheus's use of the word 'stylish' which trivialises two of the greatest thinkers in recorded history.

IC is a serial avoidant, when it comes to challenging him on his own confessed claim to know God, that is fact.

And yes, I always think for myself. I can actually do that, and it seems to be a dangerous occupation to be able to think for one self when it come to ideas based on Christian ideology.

No one who claims to know God like IC has claimed, actually knows anything at all, which makes him disingenuous. I'd be very suspicious of those who claim to know God, and yes, I am suspicious of those who claim to know God. Who also believe we are born sinners and will go to heaven or hell according to our personal loyalty to that Jesus bloke. What utter BS

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:21 pm
I do scorn Prometheus's use of the word 'stylish' which trivialises two of the greatest thinkers in recorded history.

Well you would say that wouldn't you, all you've got is your own self-bias belief about the so called greatest thinkers, which is more about just simply belief and thought, more than it is about an ever illusive thinker.

And you know what they say about a woman scorned.. .. Hell have no fury, and all that razzamatazz jazz.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:30 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:21 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:25 am

Yes, thanks for that. I've heard of that too, and his why I chose to bring up the idea here.

I'm still waiting for IC the Christians reply to that question, but so far..there's only been silence.

Not surprisingly uncommon though, as IC is renowned for being a serial avoidant when it comes to dealing with the very hard christian questions.

There's no need to be a card- carrying Christian to answer that question Why would you think Christians are especially good at answering theological questions. IC is good at Biblical quotations and there is no reason to think he is a hypocrite because he is not as good at history as he may be if he paid attention to it.

Answer for yourself about who the historical Jesus was. Answer for yourself as to who or what the Christ of faith was or is.
As for quibbling about the proper applications of the term 'suicide' this is a waste of your time because circumstances alter cases.

I do scorn Prometheus's use of the word 'stylish' which trivialises two of the greatest thinkers in recorded history.

IC is a serial avoidant, when it comes to challenging him on his own confessed claim to know God, that is fact.

And yes, I always think for myself. I can actually do that, and it seems to be a dangerous occupation to be able to think for one self when it come to ideas based on Christian ideology.

No one who claims to know God like IC has claimed, actually knows anything at all, which makes him disingenuous. I'd be very suspicious of those who claim to know God, and yes, I am suspicious of those who claim to know God. Who also believe we are born sinners and will go to heaven or hell according to our personal loyalty to that Jesus bloke. What utter BS

To the degree you think for yourself so you endanger yourself, especially where dogmatists , idiots, and fanatics are in power. The thing is to make the danger worth while.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:47 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:21 pm
I do scorn Prometheus's use of the word 'stylish' which trivialises two of the greatest thinkers in recorded history.

Well you would say that wouldn't you, all you've got is your own self-bias belief about the so called greatest thinkers, which is more about just simply belief and thought, more than it is about an ever illusive thinker.

And you know what they say about a woman scorned.. .. Hell have no fury, and all that razzamatazz jazz.

But my own "self bias" is not quite all I've got. I was also taught how to reason.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:50 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:47 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:21 pm
I do scorn Prometheus's use of the word 'stylish' which trivialises two of the greatest thinkers in recorded history.

Well you would say that wouldn't you, all you've got is your own self-bias belief about the so called greatest thinkers, which is more about just simply belief and thought, more than it is about an ever illusive thinker.

And you know what they say about a woman scorned.. .. Hell have no fury, and all that razzamatazz jazz.

But my own "self bias" is not quite all I've got. I was also taught how to reason.

Yeah, there is always a reason to believe there is an actual 'you' who can do that. There isn't.

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:49 pm
To the degree you think for yourself so you endanger yourself, especially where dogmatists , idiots, and fanatics are in power. The thing is to make the danger worth while.

I do, I love living dangerously and taking risks, I'm not afraid to be vulnerable, I'm not afraid of death, because I know it's not real, nor is my life, so I am free to do and be whatever I want.

I've never murdered anyone though, I not particularly fond of the idea of wanting to kill myself, or committing suicide like that Jesus bloke did.

I must admit though, I sometimes get tempted to off myself, until my higher self yanks me back down to earth, when I remember I'm immortal anyway.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:53 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:51 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:52 am

Reasons are neither required nor necessary...

For those who have none, like you, they're positively toxic, in fact.

In case you didn't get the message, though I'm sure you did...

I quoted the part that was right. The rest was nonsense.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:05 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:53 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:07 pm You base people’s characters on what they have written or spoken.

Show that I have made any statement about anybody's character.

Ok I will, here's 1 >

accelafine said to IC >

accelafine said:
I was brought up to be a critical thinker.

To which IC responded with...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:53 pmReally? Well, judging by your posts, I would need to find some evidence of that, were I to believe it.

That said absolutely nothing about character. All it said is that there was very little evidence of genuine critical thinking in her posts. And if we're not allowed to criticize posts here, then we can't do philosophy. So no, that's not an example.

Then there is another show, that's 2, where you judged Harbal as someone you revered and held in high esteem because of the way he was able to engage in dialog with you personally.

You'll have to quote that, because I have never "revered" anybody nor "held in high esteem" anybody whom I know only through posts. But you can't quote it, because it never happened. Again, no example.

I cannot find the post where you definitely wrote your character assessment of H ...

There it is. Finally, the truth.

As for Harbal, it's pure projection on your part. You now are angry with him, it seems -- you've made that abundantly clear, and told us why. So it makes sense that you'd want to bring him up again, and associate him with people with whom you take issue. But again, it has nothing to do with me.

So that's a load of nonsense. Much promised, zero delivered.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:25 am Not surprisingly uncommon though, as IC is renowned for being a serial avoidant when it comes to dealing with the very hard christian questions.

Give me a coherent...and remotely interesting question, and I'll answer it. But when you can't even frame a question based on accurate suppositions, or when you can even find the answers you're looking for with one simple Google search, I'm simply not interested.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:04 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:50 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:47 pm

Well you would say that wouldn't you, all you've got is your own self-bias belief about the so called greatest thinkers, which is more about just simply belief and thought, more than it is about an ever illusive thinker.

And you know what they say about a woman scorned.. .. Hell have no fury, and all that razzamatazz jazz.

But my own "self bias" is not quite all I've got. I was also taught how to reason.

Yeah, there is always a reason to believe there is an actual 'you' who can do that. There isn't.

Not at all! All grammars have subjects and objects.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:38 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:05 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:53 pm
Show that I have made any statement about anybody's character.

Ok I will, here's 1 >

accelafine said to IC >

accelafine said:
I was brought up to be a critical thinker.

To which IC responded with...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:53 pmReally? Well, judging by your posts, I would need to find some evidence of that, were I to believe it.

That said absolutely nothing about character. All it said is that there was very little evidence of genuine critical thinking in her posts. And if we're not allowed to criticize posts here, then we can't do philosophy. So no, that's not an example.

Then there is another show, that's 2, where you judged Harbal as someone you revered and held in high esteem because of the way he was able to engage in dialog with you personally.

You'll have to quote that, because I have never "revered" anybody nor "held in high esteem" anybody whom I know only through posts. But you can't quote it, because it never happened. Again, no example.

I cannot find the post where you definitely wrote your character assessment of H ...

There it is. Finally, the truth.

As for Harbal, it's pure projection on your part. You now are angry with him, it seems -- you've made that abundantly clear, and told us why. So it makes sense that you'd want to bring him up again, and associate him with people with whom you take issue. But again, it has nothing to do with me.

So that's a load of nonsense. Much promised, zero delivered.

You make statements about people’s character and then deny you’ve done so when you’re showed what you’ve said. But it’s ok, it’s just a normal typical avoidant reactive response from you. So predictable and boring.

You also have selective memory problems.

I used H as an example not because of reasons you said but because his example stuck out the most in my memory. There’s more people who you have judged their character based on what they’ve written but I hadn’t time to include everyone.

Deny all you want, I don’t care. But you are guilty.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:40 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:25 am Not surprisingly uncommon though, as IC is renowned for being a serial avoidant when it comes to dealing with the very hard christian questions.

Give me a coherent...and remotely interesting question, and I'll answer it. But when you can't even frame a question based on accurate suppositions, or when you can even find the answers you're looking for with one simple Google search, I'm simply not interested.

I’m challenging your Christian truth claims…that you reluctantly avoid to be challenged on. Looking on google isn’t going to give me information regarding your avoidance to be challenged. What a strange thing to say to me.

You’re never interested in being challenged because you’re already absolutely fixed in your Christian beliefs. Nothing can penetrate your walls of steel. You are simply closed, and not open to other people’s ideas, so I’m just pointing that out.

But as usual, it’s like trying to discuss alternative ideas with a brick wall. But I don’t actually care, actually, you are what you are. I accept it now.

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 2:04 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:50 pm

Fairy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:47 pm

Well you would say that wouldn't you, all you've got is your own self-bias belief about the so called greatest thinkers, which is more about just simply belief and thought, more than it is about an ever illusive thinker.

And you know what they say about a woman scorned.. .. Hell have no fury, and all that razzamatazz jazz.

But my own "self bias" is not quite all I've got. I was also taught how to reason.

Yeah, there is always a reason to believe there is an actual 'you' who can do that. There isn't.

Your reasoning really is a tough nut to crack. I can reply only that reason is independent of individual opinions and immune to bias.