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commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:06 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:56 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:55 pm Sorry. I should have been more clear. All I’m saying is that whoever said citizens and the police have equivalent mandates was only trivially correct.

Well, they are legally correct. Not sure if that's trivial or not.

Of course you could argue that citizens have a stricter mandate - there's negative consequences to you if somebody doesn't protect your life when it needs protecting.

Who should do it?

I was only pointing out the solipsism. You and/or the police should provide the necessary protection.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:03 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pm Why are you still going on about this. What is the point, what are you trying to achieve?

Expose your bullshit.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pm I'm saying, as long as you or anyone else has no problem killing someone else, then the killing will never stop. The banning of all the weapons in the world won't make the slightest bit of difference to the ending of murder and killing people and animals. So there is no point in talking about this subject anymore, since what is talking about it going to do to change what will obviously never be changed?

Do you personally, have a problem killing someone?

So you are actually equating the mass-murder perpetrated by a terrorist with the killing of a terrorist done by an armed policeman.

What a retard.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:52 pm OK, so we’re still stuck at either everyone has guns or no one (except the police and the military) has guns.

If everyone has at least one gun, theoretically everyone would be able to protect himself from someone else who has a gun.

If no one has any guns, then theoretically there would be no need for anyone to protect himself.

In practice, lots of people have guns in the US.

Therefore, on the whole it would be theoretically and practically more sensible to permit everyone to have guns.

Sadly, I must concede that Skepdik has been right all along.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:06 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:06 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:56 pm
Well, they are legally correct. Not sure if that's trivial or not.

Of course you could argue that citizens have a stricter mandate - there's negative consequences to you if somebody doesn't protect your life when it needs protecting.

Who should do it?

I was only pointing out the solipsism. You and/or the police should provide the necessary protection.

But the police has no duty to protect YOU ?!? They have no skin in the game.

You do.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pm Why are you still going on about this. What is the point, what are you trying to achieve?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:03 pmExpose your bullshit.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:24 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pm Why are you still going on about this. What is the point, what are you trying to achieve?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:03 pmExpose your bullshit.

You say you are a police officer, ok, you are an employed person who earns a wage like everyone else, you live in a world where you have to work in order to buy food and survive in the human world.

You've chosen that way of earning a living, it's not as if you would dream of doing the job for free is it?

Now, forget about what you have chosen to do to earn a living for you're own survival in the world. Right now, you are just like everybody else, someone who needs to earn money to live.

So now that's understood hopefully by you, just answer the question...forget what you do for a living, and answer the question I put to you.... do you have a problem killing another human being?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:24 pm
You say you are a police officer,

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:33 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:24 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:59 pm Why are you still going on about this. What is the point, what are you trying to achieve?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:03 pmExpose your bullshit.

You say you are a police officer, ok, you are an employed person who earns a wage like everyone else, you live in a world where you have to work in order to buy food and survive in the human world.

You've chosen that way of earning a living, it's not as if you would dream of doing the job for free is it?

Now, forget about what you have chosen to do to earn a living for you're own survival in the world. Right now, you are just like everybody else, someone who needs to earn money to live.

So now that's understood hopefully by you, just answer the question...forget what you do for a living, and answer the question I put to you.... do you have a problem killing another human being?

I am doing it for free

I receive no wages for police work.

19 years (with gaps here and there) and counting.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:49 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:24 pm
You say you are a police officer,

He's no more a police officer than you are; he's a bloody fantasist. You should dimiss him with immediate effect.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:50 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:33 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:24 pm


You say you are a police officer, ok, you are an employed person who earns a wage like everyone else, you live in a world where you have to work in order to buy food and survive in the human world.

You've chosen that way of earning a living, it's not as if you would dream of doing the job for free is it?

Now, forget about what you have chosen to do to earn a living for you're own survival in the world. Right now, you are just like everybody else, someone who needs to earn money to live.

So now that's understood hopefully by you, just answer the question...forget what you do for a living, and answer the question I put to you.... do you have a problem killing another human being?

I am doing it for free

I receive no wages for police work.

19 years (with gaps here and there) and counting.

Good for you.

Now answer the question.

Harbal wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:49 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:24 pm
You say you are a police officer,

He's no more a police officer than you are; he's a bloody fantasist. You should dimiss him with immediate effect.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:52 pm I have no idea what the question means.

How would I do about determining whether I do or don’t have a problem with it?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:59 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:52 pm I have no idea what the question means.

How would I do about determining whether I do or don’t have a problem with it?

Are you telling me that you have no idea what I am asking when I say do you have a problem killing someone else?

WOW!

That's the difference between you and me, I know what it means to have a problem killing someone else, and I would answer the question without any difficulty. I would know immediately that I have a problem killing someone else using a gun and so I wouldn't do it.

Using a gun is the key to the answer here. Would you kill someone using a gun and have no problem doing that?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:04 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:59 pm

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 4:52 pm I have no idea what the question means.

How would I do about determining whether I do or don’t have a problem with it?

Are you telling me that you have no idea what I am asking when I say do you have a problem killing someone else?

WOW!

That's the difference between you and me, I know what it means to have a problem killing someone else, and I would answer the question without any difficulty. I would know immediately that I have a problem killing someone else using a gun and so I wouldn't do it.

Using a gun is the key to the answer here. Would you kill someone using a gun and have no problem doing that?

Yes, I have no idea what you are asking.

Because after everything I have said about the topic so far too are still asking me this question

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 5:06 pm You still have much to answer for.