A Challenge to Richard Dawkins and the Atheists

[Arising_uk]

This is quite right, thedoc. But you and I know very well they'll never do it, for one very simple reason.

They can't.

Why do we need to justify it, why can't we just be it?

I think this is the problem, you appear to be a person with a lot of repressed desires to do harm to others and it's only your belief that you will be punished in the 'after-life' that stops you acting upon them. As such you think everyone is like you, we aren't.

[Immanuel Can]

The most spiteful comments are from you.

That's pretty funny. Projecting much?

[Immanuel Can]

So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

...you always have the same response for all the responses you did receive but don't like.

Oh? Did you have an answer? Please offer it.

A true theist ploy when there are no more bullets left to fire. It's time to beg your god for more inspiration to counter the infidels!

I'll be happy to...as soon as you answer the question.

[Arising_uk]

... I'll be happy to...as soon as you answer the question.

Which is?

As I'm still waiting to hear what these 'real' ethics and morals are?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

The most spiteful comments are from you.

That's pretty funny. Projecting much?

Not really. I'm quite open and honest about my dislikes, and they are never without a good reason. I wouldn't call a lack of belief in primitive monsters a reason to hate someone.

[Immanuel Can]

The most spiteful comments are from you.

That's pretty funny. Projecting much?

Not really. I'm quite open and honest about my dislikes, and they are never without a reason.

Well, quite honestly, I feel none of the "spite" you attribute to me, so you're getting that from somewhere else. I suppose I can't say where then.

But hey, conversation is optional. If you don't like what I say, you always have the option to ignore it.

[Dubious]

...you always have the same response for all the responses you did receive but don't like.

Oh? Did you have an answer? Please offer it.

What "precisely" is the question since you never seem to have received an answer by ANYONE...unless you intentionally and hypocritically asked one that can't in all honesty be replied to in the absolute terms your theism requires or simply makes no sense by any logic known...which invariably supplies the excuse for your endlessly reiterated refrain when you're firing blanks:

I'll be happy to...as soon as you answer the question.

If you truly possessed the superior logos you pretend to have you'd be more than willing to reveal it and prove what a bunch of ignorant hicks atheists really are forever lost to God's grace.

You are an incredibly clumsy theist if this is how you argue the case for god and morality and an insult to more perceptive god believers. In your case theism amounts to nothing more than an oxymoron as applied to god, real or imagined, and suffers a total defeat of both honesty and morality at its most basic levels; your use of the word "justification" amounts to heresy against all three of the aforementioned.

God is not served well by the likes of you. So what's your question! Be precise!

[Immanuel Can]

So what's your question! Be precise!

Of course I'll be ignoring all the off topic and ad hominem stuff in your previous message: all the silly attempts to provoke, the personal insults, the posturing, the bluster and the nonsense... Really, who needs all of that?

But I'll honour you, and take what I can from your message seriously; so I'll honour the question at the end.

The OP wrote:

There's nothing in the Atheistic system that commits the Atheist to Ethics/Morals and Meaning for real. A Religious believer, of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Scientology, various others, is always committed to Ethics/Morals and Meaning for real because they are integral in the Religious systems! This is simply not the case in Atheism!

My question is this: Does any Atheist have anything by way of a moral value that is grounded by Atheism, and thus refutes his claim?

The answer so far seems to be, "Not a hope." But if you can do better, then please, carry on. I await most eagerly.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

So what's your question! Be precise!

Of course I'll be ignoring all the off topic and ad hominem stuff in your previous message: all the silly attempts to provoke, the personal insults, the posturing, the bluster and the nonsense... Really, who needs all of that?

But I'll honour you, and take what I can from your message seriously; so I'll honour the question at the end.

The OP wrote:

There's nothing in the Atheistic system that commits the Atheist to Ethics/Morals and Meaning for real. A Religious believer, of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Scientology, various others, is always committed to Ethics/Morals and Meaning for real because they are integral in the Religious systems! This is simply not the case in Atheism!

My question is this: Does any Atheist have anything by way of a moral value that is grounded by Atheism, and thus refutes his claim?

The answer so far seems to be, "Not a hope." But if you can do better, then please, carry on. I await most eagerly.

There's nothing in the commandments about rape or paedophilia, so I suppose that explains why so many kristians are paedophiles and rapists. Their babble doesn't tell them not to do those things, so clearly this gives them the green light.

[thedoc]

So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

The most spiteful comments are from you. You can barely contain your hatred for the unsuperstitious. You aren't even honest enough to express it openly. I doubt if many are fooled by you, but oddly you seem to have garnered a little fan club on here.

Not really, he has acquired a few who agree with him in part and many who disagree with him in whole. We can't help it if those who disagree with him choose to be wrong.

[Harbal]

So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

Try writing in red, like Jesus does, that may get you better results.

[thedoc]

So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

The most spiteful comments are from you. You can barely contain your hatred for the unsuperstitious. You aren't even honest enough to express it openly. I doubt if many are fooled by you, but oddly you seem to have garnered a little fan club on here.

The projection is strong with this one

[thedoc]

There's nothing in the commandments about rape or paedophilia, so I suppose that explains why so many kristians are paedophiles and rapists. Their babble doesn't tell them not to do those things, so clearly this gives them the green light.

There is a commandment about not hurting others, and I think that would cover the rape and pedophilia. If you have a different reading please present it.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

The most spiteful comments are from you. You can barely contain your hatred for the unsuperstitious. You aren't even honest enough to express it openly. I doubt if many are fooled by you, but oddly you seem to have garnered a little fan club on here.

The projection is strong with this one

I stand corrected. The most spiteful person on here is you.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

There's nothing in the commandments about rape or paedophilia, so I suppose that explains why so many kristians are paedophiles and rapists. Their babble doesn't tell them not to do those things, so clearly this gives them the green light.

There is a commandment about not hurting others, and I think that would cover the rape and pedophilia. If you have a different reading please present it.

I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 2[19] 6[19]
1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me 3[20] 7[20]
2 2 1 2 1 1 — 2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image 4–6[21] 8–10[22]
3 3 2 3 2 2 2 3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain 7[23] 11[23]
4 4 3 4 3 3 3 4 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy 8–11[24] 12–15[25]
5 5 4 5 4 4 4 5 Honour thy father and thy mother 12[26] 16[27]
6 7 5 6 5 5 5 6 Thou shalt not kill 13[28] 17[28]
7 6 6 7 6 6 6 7 Thou shalt not commit adultery 14[29] 18[30]
8 8 7 8 7 7 7 8 Thou shalt not steal 15[31] 19[32]
9 9 8 9 8 8 8 9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour 16[33] 20[34]
10 10 9 10 10 10 9 10 Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's house) 17a[35] 21b[36]
10 10 9 10 9 9 10 10 Thou shalt not covet (neighbour's wife)

Hmm. Nothing here about not hurting anyone. The guy certainly had his priorities in order, giving himself the top spots. Whoever named them clearly couldn't count.