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Arising wrote: Most draw meaning from earthly influences and these influences are their god. There are some in which the need for meaning isn't satisfied by earthly influences. They are drawn to experience a higher source of meaning that is the source of the earth itself. They call it God. ...
Which is what exactly?

What do you mean by such things as 'the source of the earth itself'?

The conscious Source of creation within which the earth is a part.

Don't know about you but I get meaning and happiness from friends, family, new experiences and just being alive.

I do also but there is also a deeper more basic part of me which is called to understand who I am, what I am, why am I here, and what the purpose of our universe is not just theoretically but experientially as well.

The earth including humanity supplies things and people acquire the sense of meaning from things. But things are temporary. Some are called to consciously develop in the direction of the eternal unchanging

Nick_A wrote:Hobbes wrote:

More blind denial of the necessity of atheism.

Quite true. Blind belief and blind denial permeate the God question along with the question of Man's objective meaning and purpose.

More blind denial of the universe's purposelessness, and man's autonomy in that universe.

Hobbes wrote:

Quite true. Blind belief and blind denial permeate the God question along with the question of Man's objective meaning and purpose.

More blind denial of the universe's purposelessness, and man's autonomy in that universe.

Hobbes you have to right a book called "How to Preach Blind Belief and Blind Denial at the Same Time and appear educated." You have a blind belief in the universe's purposelessness, and man's autonomy while at the same time denying universal purpose and Man's conscious potential to become a part of it as opposed to just serving the same purpose as every other animal on earth. That is quite an accomplishment and must require years of contemporary education.

Nick_A wrote:Hobbes wrote:

Quite true. Blind belief and blind denial permeate the God question along with the question of Man's objective meaning and purpose.

More blind denial of the universe's purposelessness, and man's autonomy in that universe.

Hobbes you have to right a book called "How to Preach Blind Belief and Blind Denial at the Same Time and appear educated." You have a blind belief in the universe's purposelessness, and man's autonomy while at the same time denying universal purpose and Man's conscious potential to become a part of it as opposed to just serving the same purpose as every other animal on earth. That is quite an accomplishment and must require years of contemporary education.

What is the purpose of the universe?

Hobbes wrote: What is the purpose of the universe"

The purpose of the universe is to transform substances - one quality of materiality into another

Nick_A wrote:Hobbes wrote: What is the purpose of the universe"

The purpose of the universe is to transform substances - one quality of materiality into another

You are a MORON.

You are confusing what is does for what it is for. This is a fundamental error of human judgement. When the fool is hit by a falling tree he has to believe there is a reason for it. Babies think that way.

Hobbes wrote:

You are a MORON.

You are confusing what is does for what it is for. This is a fundamental error of human judgement. When the fool is hit by a falling tree he has to believe there is a reason for it. Babies think that way.

If someone asks me what the purpose of a car is I would say to transport human beings and things. The purpose of the universe is to transform substances. That is always the trouble with blind deniers. As soon as they have to think out of the box and more than two inches in front of their nose they start shrieking

The universal purpose of transforming substances is related to the complimentary universal processes of involution and evolution. It is a quetion for morons. The educated elite here would be horrified at even the idea of such a universal structure and I don't want to be the cause of a stroke.

Nick_A wrote:Hobbes wrote:

You are a MORON.

You are confusing what is does for what it is for. This is a fundamental error of human judgement. When the fool is hit by a falling tree he has to believe there is a reason for it. Babies think that way.

If someone asks me what the purpose of a car is I would say to transport human beings and things. The purpose of the universe is to transform substances. That is always the trouble with blind deniers. As soon as they have to think out of the box and more than two inches in front of their nose they start shrieking

The universal purpose of transforming substances is related to the complimentary universal processes of involution and evolution. It is a quetion for morons. The educated elite here would be horrified at even the idea of such a universal structure and I don't want to be the cause of a stroke.

A car cannot have purpose. An intelligent person with volition can have a purpose FOR a car.

You analogy is moronic. And I use that word with care. A human designs and builds a car for their own purposes. You analogy has nothing of value. Not only do you not have evidence for a designer or creator, the universe is full of purposeless an disorganised things.

Your view is childish anthropomorphism.

Hobbes wrote: A car cannot have purpose. An intelligent person with volition can have a purpose FOR a car.

You analogy is moronic. And I use that word with care. A human designs and builds a car for their own purposes. You analogy has nothing of value. Not only do you not have evidence for a designer or creator, the universe is full of purposeless an disorganised things.

Your view is childish anthropomorphism.

From the dictionary

Pur-pose

noun
noun: purpose; plural noun: purposes
1. 1.
the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.
"the purpose of the meeting is to appoint a trustee"
synonyms: motive, motivation, grounds, cause, occasion, reason, point, basis, justification More

"the purpose of the meeting is to appoint a trustee"
The purpose of a car is to transport people and things.

It has been said that ignorance is bliss. For Hobbes it is just silly. I don’t read any bliss in it.

Nick_A wrote:The conscious Source of creation within which the earth is a part.

You have no idea if there is a 'conscious' source. Let's say there is, why do you think it has any interest in us at all?

I do also but there is also a deeper more basic part of me which is called to understand who I am, what I am, why am I here, and what the purpose of our universe is not just theoretically but experientially as well.

Okay, so who are you, why are you here and what's the purpose of the Universe?

Oh! And its highly unlikely that its ours.

The earth including humanity supplies things and people acquire the sense of meaning from things. But things are temporary. Some are called to consciously develop in the direction of the eternal unchanging

Why? As you are neither eternal nor unchanging. Still, if 'it' can't change then I seriously doubt 'it' could be called conscious in any sense.

Arising wrote: You have no idea if there is a 'conscious' source. Let's say there is, why do you think it has any interest in us at all?

Why should it? We are part of an enormous machine called universe. There are many who believe it is here to serve us and other more New Age types believe they are God and have imagined the alpha centauri star system. But suppose the universe isn’t here to serve Man but rather Man is here to serve the universe? Our value then is in our service. I appreciate the necessity of the Son or higher consciousness to help humanity reach its conscious potential. That is why I'm Christian.

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he earth including humanity supplies things and people acquire the sense of meaning from things. But things are temporary. Some are called to consciously develop in the direction of the eternal unchanging
Why? As you are neither eternal nor unchanging. Still, if 'it' can't change then I seriously doubt 'it' could be called conscious in any sense.

Is there any reason why one quality of consciousness cannot be attracted and drawn to a higher quality of consciousness? White light is unchanging, Yet without it no colors are possible.

Don’t confuse consciousness as a state of being with qualities of consciousness or manifestations of that quality of being within creation.

Nick_A wrote:

Hobbes wrote: A car cannot have purpose. An intelligent person with volition can have a purpose FOR a car.

You analogy is moronic. And I use that word with care. A human designs and builds a car for their own purposes. You analogy has nothing of value. Not only do you not have evidence for a designer or creator, the universe is full of purposeless an disorganised things.

Your view is childish anthropomorphism.

From the dictionary

Pur-pose

noun
noun: purpose; plural noun: purposes
1. 1.
the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.
"the purpose of the meeting is to appoint a trustee"
synonyms: motive, motivation, grounds, cause, occasion, reason, point, basis, justification More

"the purpose of the meeting is to appoint a trustee"
The purpose of a car is to transport people and things.

It has been said that ignorance is bliss. For Hobbes it is just silly. I don’t read any bliss in it.

Dictionaries are for children. QED my comments above.
This is a philosophy forum not a kindergarten.

Nick_A wrote: Why should it? We are part of an enormous machine called universe. There are many who believe it is here to serve us and other more New Age types believe they are God and have imagined the alpha centauri star system. But suppose the universe isn’t here to serve Man but rather Man is here to serve the universe? Our value then is in our service. I appreciate the necessity of the Son or higher consciousness to help humanity reach its conscious potential. That is why I'm Christian.

What will happen after you reach your potential? Also what happens after you serve the universe?

Nick_A wrote:Why should it? ...

Exactly.

We are part of an enormous machine called universe. ...

You think it a conscious machine?

There are many who believe it is here to serve us and other more New Age types believe they are God and have imagined the alpha centauri star system. ...

And neither have a clue.

But suppose the universe isn’t here to serve Man but rather Man is here to serve the universe? ...

Try even bigger, its not concerned or about us at all.

Our value then is in our service. ...

So without this 'God machine' we have no value?

I appreciate the necessity of the Son or higher consciousness to help humanity reach its conscious potential. That is why I'm Christian.

It's been 2000 years don't you think it about time to drop this idea of that we are somehow less than we are?

Is there any reason why one quality of consciousness cannot be attracted and drawn to a higher quality of consciousness? ...

Well one is that, so far, no-one has been able to show this 'higher quality of consciousness' exists in any sense other than a psychological one.

White light is unchanging, Yet without it no colors are possible.

Don't know about you but light is transparent to me and without colours there is no 'white light'.

Don’t confuse consciousness as a state of being with qualities of consciousness or manifestations of that quality of being within creation.

So you have three consciousnesses now?

Didn't actually hear any answers to these questions, Who are you? Why are you here? And what's the purpose of the Universe?

Arising wrote: We are part of an enormous machine called universe. ...
You think it a conscious machine?

It isn’t that the machine is conscious but that consciousness permeates the universe. The universe is governed by both universal laws and conscious influences. We may live in a conscious universe but that doesn’t make the machine conscious.

Our value then is in our service. ...
So without this 'God machine' we have no value?

Yes, there is no reason for our existence.

It's been 2000 years don't you think it about time to drop this idea of that we are somehow less than we are?

If we don’t know what we are, how can we know if we are more or less than we think we are?

Don't know about you but light is transparent to me and without colours there is no 'white light'

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White light includes all colors. Sunlight is not invisible for us.

White light is the name given to what the human eye sees when all the colors that make up the visible light spectrum are combined; the visible light spectrum is made up of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet light, and these colors combined make white lighting. When shined through a prism, white lights are broken into the separate colors of the visible light spectrum. Many people commonly refer to white light simply as "light" or "visible light," and it is this light that makes it possible to view one's surroundings. Several sources of white lights exist including the sun and stars, certain types of lightbulbs, and some lamps.

Didn't actually hear any answers to these questions, Who are you? Why are you here? And what's the purpose of the Universe?

What efforts would you make to answer the questions: Who am I, Why am I here, and what the purpose of our great universe is? How would you pursue the questions if they concerned you? If we don’t know how to pursue the questions, how can we find suggestions worth contemplating?