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Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:08 pm
by Harbal
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:17 pm
Harbal wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:44 pm And my view is that you are trying to present a load of mundane rubbish as something profound.
If that is your view by all means hold to it. I reject your categorization but respect your right to conceive it.

If you-plural cannot fairly and coherently refute the ideas I do present, then you-plural have done very little in fact.
What do you-singular imagine I-singular am trying to do? This is not the House of Commons, or your-plural possessive equivalent. I-singular subjective am just an individual telling another individual what I think of his ideas.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 2:17 pm
Harbal wrote:All I have done is told you that I find your views distasteful, and sometimes disturbing
That’s not enough. Take one item from my list to you, indicate that you grasp what is said, and then offer your view as to what is right or wrong about it.
I don't know that I've even seen your list. What prompted this current exchange was your remarks about homosexuality. Not because I have any particular affinity with that group, but because they could represent any minority group that you happen to personally dislike and disapprove of.

I remember, some years back, the government running an anti smoking campaign, which consisted mainly of TV adverts mildly shaming smokers, and the practice of smoking. The ads weren't at all forceful, but they were run over quite a long period, and they worked. The public attitude towards smoking has drastically changed. Smoking has been banned in enclosed public spaces, but even outside, in the open air, smokers are getting dirty looks and disapproving glances from passers by.

You might say that is a good thing, and for obvious reasons, and I wouldn't disagree with you, even though I am a smoker. But what if that approach were taken to homosexuality? A significant proportion of the population, who are harming no one, would be driven back into having to live secretive, shameful lives. I recently spent a few hours in the house of a gay couple, and absolutely nothing was any different from what you would expect to find in the house of a heterosexual couple. They had the same mundane concerns as any other couple, carried on the same mundane domestic routines as any other couple, and talked about the same mundane things. What the hell is wrong with that? Why should people be denied the opportunity to live in a way that makes them happy, just because they belong to a minority, and people like you disapprove of them? Who else would you condemn to a life of misery for not neatly fitting into your paradigm of traditional values?

I might not have made the effort to thoroughly acquaint myself with your "ideas", but I know enough about them to realise what a sinister presence you are.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:21 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Here is the list. I asked if you could define the reasons what I talk about often seems to disturb you. You responded vaguely. I then said that I would describe for you what it is that you and you-plural react to. That is below. ⬇️

If you have no interest in the discussion, then let’s drop it.

But if you want to take one item from that list, tell me what you think it means, and in that way share your thought.

But if you don’t — let’s drop a false conversation that will get us nowhere.

Here
I might not have made the effort to thoroughly acquaint myself with your "ideas", but I know enough about them to realise what a sinister presence you are.
The Hitler Argument — it’s the same really. Evil, sinister, etc.

Not enough Harbal. Those are feelings not thoughts.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:28 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Harbal wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:08 pm What the hell is wrong with that? Why should people be denied the opportunity to live in a way that makes them happy, just because they belong to a minority, and people like you disapprove of them?
Since I did not ever say such a thing you are projecting.

I did say that homosexuality and other deviant sexual expressions should be toned down a great deal. Not advertised.

Homosexuals exist, I have said, and have a right to live as they choose.

My issue is with extreme public presentation of it (originally I spoke about pride patades and over the top displays).

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:55 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm Allow me to put out a few notes or bullets that define the issues about which the critical position of the Dissident Right is concerned. Think of it as preliminary.

1) Decline. Why not start with Spengler? (Decline of the West). Your mouth drops open, some saliva falls onto your keyboard. You do not know who he is nor do you have any idea what his ideas were. But in order to understand Weaver's Ideas Have Consequences, and to understand why it is in ideation that decline begins, you'd have to understand Spenglerian Gloom ...
Spengler was a historicist but this other guy Weaver seems to be fully opposed to historicism. Spengler can be dismissed with a quote from Karl Popper's The Poverty of Historicism: "History does not run on rails". This is old fashioned histrorical story telling with no real basis. It isn't forgotten because of a conspiracy, it's nelgected because it lacks any heft.

Weaver seems to be your source for all this stuff you preach about Plato and categories, perhaps he is also responsible for your haphazard use of the word "predicates"? Either way, this guy tried to resurrect the scholastic arguments about Platonic forms for some reason. But your own words are incosistent with any belief in those Forms, you just want to spout about categories without the onotlogical commitment to an antique theory. And well done to you for that prescience, because Plato's Forms are not coming back and Weaver is a largely forgotten man probably because of that.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 2) Counter-politics as-against Liberal constructs. The theorists of the Right -- who are not read, who are excluded from the academic canon generally -- propose alternatives to the Liberal construct. If someone refers to *Liberal rot* (and some do) then it becomes necessary to define why it has rotted and then to theorize what could eliminate the rot and what ideas and social pracitices (or political organization) could generate something better (or more in accord with certain *defined values* that are, perhaps, pushed out of the picture in our present).
It's not very hard to imagine why anyone would see phrases like that and form some sort of negative opinion. It's quite sinister.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 3) Identity. You are a wondrous example of a man who has lost his cultural and civilizational identity. To define identity requires a intellectual platform in ideas & values. Because you are the spat-out scrag of postmodern wimpishness, a collapsed man who, very probably, could not defend his civilization nor his country, the notion of *strong identity* is foreign to you. And in it lurks a sense of danger. I refer to Jonathan Bowden who spoke about A European Grammar of Self-Intolerance. The present dispensation has castrated you. You are either an intellectual weakling or a faggot or some sort of masturbating porn-addict (this is a general reference). To recover, to consolidate, a sense of strong identity is terrifying to you, and indeed it is described as something fascistic, something dark and dangerous. So the Politics of Identity, and very certainly the need for Occidental Caucasian man to rediscover and re-invigorate Identity is something crucial but also feared (cowered away from).
You are talking here about some sort of white seperatism right? Jonathan Bowden was a senior member of a white seperatist political party in Britain, and you didn't mention him by accident one assumes? All this talk of castration is a rhetorical attempt to link masculinity to race, correct?
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 4) Tradition and Metaphysics. When men, who recognize they are in a weakened position and subsumed into debilitating postmodern mire, when they look around for tools with which to pull themselves out of that mire, they quickly realize their struggle is metaphysical. They have to reconstitute their orientation at a metaphysical level. This involves idea-renovation. So again I can refer to Richard Weaver who wrote compellingly on this idea of one's *metaphysical dream of the world*. But also of those, perhaps more archaic if not any more radical, like René Guénon or Julius Evola.
Weaver's revivalist metaphysics that even you don't believe in are kind of pointless. But are you maybe, perhaps, using that idea for other purposes rather than to actually commit to anything that is technically to be defined as a metaphysical position anyway? Flambouyantly poetic notions of "metaphysical dream of the world" don't really count for much. Is the real point there to try and push the masculinity and racial vigour undertones of your spiel?

Trying to reconstitute your orientation at a metaphysical level is a sure and certain way to end up in the emergency room with an unexpected object that needs removingt from an unfortunate place.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm So in relation to what you said about unsavory ideology, which is something you feel but cannot define, I have here outlined the first of four sets of concerns or topics that motivate many of those who seek a ground on which to base themselves and a ground upon which to construct alternatives (to a present in decline). And it is around each of these things that your sense of apprehension and fear congeal. There are others but these form a base.
Maybe the next set of concerns or topics will prove more illuminating.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:32 pm
by Harbal
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:21 pm
Harbal wrote: I might not have made the effort to thoroughly acquaint myself with your "ideas", but I know enough about them to realise what a sinister presence you are.
The Hitler Argument — it’s the same really. Evil, sinister, etc.
No, you are projecting comments made by others onto me, and attempting to dismiss all your critics as being members of one, over-reactionary group.

I have never compared you to Hitler, nor called you evil. Sinister, yes, because your comments give rise to an uneasy feeling in me.
Not enough Harbal. Those are feelings not thoughts.
Not enough for what? I am not bound by any rules of engagement that you might want to impose on me. I can say whatever I like, in response to whatever I (don't) like.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:21 pm
Harbal wrote:What the hell is wrong with that? Why should people be denied the opportunity to live in a way that makes them happy, just because they belong to a minority, and people like you disapprove of them?
Since I did not ever say such a thing you are projecting.
If I have misinterpreted the spirit of your comments about homosexuals, I apologise. Is it the case that I have misunderstood your attitude and intentions towards them?
I did say that homosexuality and other deviant sexual expressions should be toned down a great deal. Not advertised.

Homosexuals exist, I have said, and have a right to live as they choose.

My issue is with extreme public presentation of it (originally I spoke about pride patades and over the top displays).
I can't say that such public presentations are to my taste, either, although neither can I say I have a problem or issue with them. But don't you-plural think that you-plural are partly responsible for it? Aren't these public displays a backlash/reaction to years of condemnation, shaming, and repression by people with the same attitude as yours?

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:38 pm
by Harbal
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:55 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm Allow me to put out a few notes or bullets that define the issues about which the critical position of the Dissident Right is concerned. Think of it as preliminary.

1) Decline. Why not start with Spengler? (Decline of the West). Your mouth drops open, some saliva falls onto your keyboard. You do not know who he is nor do you have any idea what his ideas were. But in order to understand Weaver's Ideas Have Consequences, and to understand why it is in ideation that decline begins, you'd have to understand Spenglerian Gloom ...
Spengler was a historicist but this other guy Weaver seems to be fully opposed to historicism. Spengler can be dismissed with a quote from Karl Popper's The Poverty of Historicism: "History does not run on rails". This is old fashioned histrorical story telling with no real basis. It isn't forgotten because of a conspiracy, it's nelgected because it lacks any heft.

Weaver seems to be your source for all this stuff you preach about Plato and categories, perhaps he is also responsible for your haphazard use of the word "predicates"? Either way, this guy tried to resurrect the scholastic arguments about Platonic forms for some reason. But your own words are incosistent with any belief in those Forms, you just want to spout about categories without the onotlogical commitment to an antique theory. And well done to you for that prescience, because Plato's Forms are not coming back and Weaver is a largely forgotten man probably because of that.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 2) Counter-politics as-against Liberal constructs. The theorists of the Right -- who are not read, who are excluded from the academic canon generally -- propose alternatives to the Liberal construct. If someone refers to *Liberal rot* (and some do) then it becomes necessary to define why it has rotted and then to theorize what could eliminate the rot and what ideas and social pracitices (or political organization) could generate something better (or more in accord with certain *defined values* that are, perhaps, pushed out of the picture in our present).
It's not very hard to imagine why anyone would see phrases like that and form some sort of negative opinion. It's quite sinister.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 3) Identity. You are a wondrous example of a man who has lost his cultural and civilizational identity. To define identity requires a intellectual platform in ideas & values. Because you are the spat-out scrag of postmodern wimpishness, a collapsed man who, very probably, could not defend his civilization nor his country, the notion of *strong identity* is foreign to you. And in it lurks a sense of danger. I refer to Jonathan Bowden who spoke about A European Grammar of Self-Intolerance. The present dispensation has castrated you. You are either an intellectual weakling or a faggot or some sort of masturbating porn-addict (this is a general reference). To recover, to consolidate, a sense of strong identity is terrifying to you, and indeed it is described as something fascistic, something dark and dangerous. So the Politics of Identity, and very certainly the need for Occidental Caucasian man to rediscover and re-invigorate Identity is something crucial but also feared (cowered away from).
You are talking here about some sort of white seperatism right? Jonathan Bowden was a senior member of a white seperatist political party in Britain, and you didn't mention him by accident one assumes? All this talk of castration is a rhetorical attempt to link masculinity to race, correct?
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm 4) Tradition and Metaphysics. When men, who recognize they are in a weakened position and subsumed into debilitating postmodern mire, when they look around for tools with which to pull themselves out of that mire, they quickly realize their struggle is metaphysical. They have to reconstitute their orientation at a metaphysical level. This involves idea-renovation. So again I can refer to Richard Weaver who wrote compellingly on this idea of one's *metaphysical dream of the world*. But also of those, perhaps more archaic if not any more radical, like René Guénon or Julius Evola.
Weaver's revivalist metaphysics that even you don't believe in are kind of pointless. But are you maybe, perhaps, using that idea for other purposes rather than to actually commit to anything that is technically to be defined as a metaphysical position anyway? Flambouyantly poetic notions of "metaphysical dream of the world" don't really count for much. Is the real point there to try and push the masculinity and racial vigour undertones of your spiel?

Trying to reconstitute your orientation at a metaphysical level is a sure and certain way to end up in the emergency room with an unexpected object that needs removingt from an unfortunate place.
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:33 pm So in relation to what you said about unsavory ideology, which is something you feel but cannot define, I have here outlined the first of four sets of concerns or topics that motivate many of those who seek a ground on which to base themselves and a ground upon which to construct alternatives (to a present in decline). And it is around each of these things that your sense of apprehension and fear congeal. There are others but these form a base.
Maybe the next set of concerns or topics will prove more illuminating.
I was just about to address all the points on Alexis's list, and with pretty much the same responses as yours. 🤥

Thank you for saving me the work. 🙂

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:11 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
Flash's response is really no response at all -- just negation. He dismisses the notion -- one entertained by many people, and that alone is important if only because it is a contemporary issue -- that decline and decadence are real things. His only *work* here is to quote Popper. And there his commentary ends. He has nothing else to contribute. He ends where he starts from: in emptiness.

Same treatment for Weaver. It is not true that he *tried to resurrect the scholastic arguments about Platonic forms*, so this is another off-handed but vain snipe -- but with no real content or effect.

Weaver in my view provides a framework to understand a very real contrast between those who resort to metaphysical ideas or anchor themselves in them, in contrast to people who have lost connection to those anchors, or no longer understand them, and therefore find themselves adrift without a tangible guidance-system or with one unfortunately unsatisfactory for the task of guidance.
you just want to spout about categories without the ontological commitment to an antique theory
This is not so. Like everyone, and all of us who have been extruded from recent historical processes, I am aware of what *being adrift* means. And because that is so I can explain what my processes have been in relation to that have been. I am unsure what is really and truly *antique* and even what that word is actually intended to mean.

So I dismiss that word as just another attempt at deprecation: which is your actual and sole content. In all that you write. And in the way you manifest yourself.
Weaver is a largely forgotten man probably because of that.
That is definitely not the case. But I am pretty sure he, like all people who work in that realm of ideas, is neglected.
It's not very hard to imagine why anyone would see phrases like that and form some sort of negative opinion. It's quite sinister.
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In your case, with any idea that excites your overheated brain, you project Hitler and Hitlerian evil. And sure that is all sinister imagining. And it is projection that is core to your entire outlook. It contaminates you.
2) Counter-politics as-against Liberal constructs. The theorists of the Right -- who are not read, who are excluded from the academic canon generally -- propose alternatives to the Liberal construct. If someone refers to *Liberal rot* (and some do) then it becomes necessary to define why it has rotted and then to theorize what could eliminate the rot and what ideas and social practices (or political organization) could generate something better (or more in accord with certain *defined values* that are, perhaps, pushed out of the picture in our present).
I explain here why a wide range of theorists notice *rot* and work to describe what it is and how it came about. I may have my own commitments to such a view or understanding but I did not express them in that paragraph. And what I wrote was intended to put some words into Harbal's mouth about why he has that *suspicious* feeling. Neither have I defended any counter-liberal activists. However, I do use the the term *hyper-liberal* in a negative sense. In my view an honest and defensible Liberalism has morphed, through process of decay, into something hyper-liberal and not-so-good (criticizable).

And the point is that there are many many millions of people who form a simple conservative right and all the way up to a Radical or Dissident Right who are seeing and thinking in different ways. And they examine material (generally material excluded from our accepted canon) and this too validates the fairness of the paragraph.
You are talking here about some sort of white separatism right? Jonathan Bowden was a senior member of a white seperatist political party in Britain, and you didn't mention him by accident one assumes? All this talk of castration is a rhetorical attempt to link masculinity to race, correct?
What you have done, and what you always do, is to *reinterpret* what you read and in doing so you rewrite it and present that as what your opponent said. Identity is a fine and necessary topic and is not something evil and unethical. I refer to Bowden because he sees very clearly into the *heart* of people who cower before their own selves; who have internalized that European grammar of Self-intolerance. To have come to understand this mechanism, and the grammar into which we have been indoctrinated, is definitely one of the more important ideas that I personally have worked through.

And the issue of demographics, the concern about national make-up, and the concern about preservation of culture -- no one of these topics is inherently unethical. All topic can be examined and discussed. What you do, always, is to assign a negative label to any idea that excites your crack-brain -- in your case it is Hitler.

You start from this point. Amd you end at that point.
"metaphysical dream of the world"
You do not know, and cannot know, what I *believe in* or don't. And your dismissal of the idea, though you can dismiss anything with any imperious gesture as you desire, means nothing at all.
Maybe the next set of concerns or topics will prove more illuminating.
Nothing can or could *illuminate* you. Because you start from a position of ur-negation. You have constructed your *self* within that vortice. It determines where you are, what you see, how you interpret, and how you act within the realm of ideas.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:49 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:11 pm Same treatment for Weaver. It is not true that he *tried to resurrect the scholastic arguments about Platonic forms", so this is another off-handed but vain snipe -- but with no real content or effect.
Oh, how odd. When I look at the intro to a book on the subject from whoever the Alabama Policy Institute are, as part of their...
essential readings
FOR THE MODERN CONSERVATIVE

series, what I read is this....

In any effort to address the decay of civilization, Weaver writes, the major problem is first getting men to distinguish between better and worse. Man’s system of values has all but faded away. In Weaver’s words, “There is ground for declaring that modern man has become a moral idiot.” It is helpful to remember that Weaver published this book in 1948, when the world was still recovering from World War II. He did not believe it necessary to provide any further proof than to appeal to the testimony of a few years past for his assertion that the basis of value judgments was lost to most men. The Holocaust and the devastation of Europe were the results of a process Weaver traced all the way back to the 14th century, the Waterloo of moral universals, when William of Occam began to teach nominalism, which denies that moral universals have real existence. The triumph of nominalism in the medieval debate proved to be “the crucial event in the history of Western culture; from this flowed those acts which issue now in modern decadence.”
Occam left man with no higher authority for moral judgment than himself; universal terms became mere names arbitrarily created to serve our convenience. As a result, Weaver tells us, reality as it was perceived by the intellect was rejected in favor of reality as perceived by the senses. With this event, Western society changed course.

From the denial of universals eventually came the denial of truth beyond anything transcending experience itself. Once truth was out of the way, nature became regarded as containing the principles of its own constitution and behavior, and so a careful study of nature came to be called science. The Aristotelian [sic] doctrine of forms and abstract universal concepts of perfection was discarded. With forms out of the picture, the doctrine of original sin perished next. After all, if physical nature is the sum total of existence and if man is natural,we cannot think of him as suffering from some innate evil—indeed, evil is a word now lacking meaning. Thus, if man is naturally good, his defects must spring from either ignorance or environmental deprivation.
So, this all suggests that I was right. That is the Scholastic debate about Forms and Weaver is all about reviving the losing side of that one. It probably suggests that you are intellectually out of your depth also and you need to find a way to retreat while saving face as you have not read Plato and you don't really understand any of what I've written or what I have quoted here.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:51 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Harbal wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 6:38 pm I was just about to address all the points on Alexis's list, and with pretty much the same responses as yours. 🤥

Thank you for saving me the work. 🙂
Sadly it was no response at all -- just negation. I was reliably informed of this by the guy who was -- negating me.

We may need to prepare a reading list for Jacobi by the way. He's struggling with some of the ideas that modern scholars use, but he's weak on the ancients as well. Very tricky.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:07 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:49 pmSo, this all suggests that I was right. That is the Scholastic debate about Forms and Weaver is all about reviving the losing side of that one. It probably suggests that you are intellectually out of your depth also and you need to find a way to retreat while saving face as you have not read Plato and you don't really understand any of what I've written or what I have quoted here.
I admire your efforts to reach for whatever you can. You are grasping wildly. But always with the same intention: negation.

It is really just silliness bordering into stupidity — in the sense of time-wasting.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:15 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:49 pmThat is the Scholastic debate about Forms and Weaver is all about reviving the losing side of that one.
It has to do with metaphysical ideas as “real” — as real as anything real in a tangible sense — and also as potent and motivating. And very definitely he is interested in early thought of which Scholasticism is part-and-parcel.
So, this all suggests that I was right.
Partly right, sure, but that is not enough right to have a grasp of the sense of meaning he deals in. Nor of course his proposition that without a base in metaphysics worthy ideas suffer decay and eventuate in those •consequences• many people see as powerful and dominant today.
I was reliably informed of this by the guy who was -- negating me.
Rebuttal is different from negation. My rebuttal involves correction: putting you on a truer tack.

Important distinction.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:33 pm
by FlashDangerpants
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 9:15 pm
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:49 pmThat is the Scholastic debate about Forms and Weaver is all about reviving the losing side of that one.
It has to do with metaphysical ideas as “real”
Well of course it did. Plato's Forms are all about making universals (a metaphysical thing to do with categories) concrete and available for objective inspection. Remember that conversation? You are not on the same side of this as Weaver though because you don't understand it, you already said those things are interrogated via self inspection and deep thinking about your inner self and other self-help philosopher shit like that, which is why I pointed out that your $categories$ are definitively subjective. This is information I already gave you, please try to keep up.

While you work out what the fuck it is you are trying to say, let me remind you of the full paragraph there.
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:55 pm Weaver seems to be your source for all this stuff you preach about Plato and categories, perhaps he is also responsible for your haphazard use of the word "predicates"? Either way, this guy tried to resurrect the scholastic arguments about Platonic forms for some reason. But your own words are incosistent with any belief in those Forms, you just want to spout about categories without the onotlogical commitment to an antique theory. And well done to you for that prescience, because Plato's Forms are not coming back and Weaver is a largely forgotten man probably because of that.
Weaver is your apparent source for the Plato stuff. Your previous words remain inconsistent with the notion of the Forms. The forms is an antique theory, Plato invented it several hundred years BC and it was last taken seriously in the medieval period which you seem to be vaguely up to speed with now. You don't really have much understanding of these ideas and the random things you refer to with your reckless deployment of the word metaphysical aren't helping you much, but I can only lead you to the water. You'll have to read The Republic for yourself one day and then, if you have the talent to understand it, you can work out what this converesation meant.



While we're going over the told-you-sos, I may as well remind you of this one...
FlashDangerpants wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:28 pm I'm going to help you out here by speaking very plainly so that you don't get confused about subtext. This is a philosophy forum Jacobi, and you are no philosopher. You are not equipped to take on Harbal on the matter of normative truth, and neither is wizzy. Immanuel Can is better at that question than you two, and Harbal regularly shreds him without even breaking out the philosophy lingo to do it.
You really are no philosopher.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:26 pm
by Alexis Jacobi
With you the game continues. This is all a front you present but it ultimately has no substance or validity. You can say to anyone: “You’re no philosopher!” as deprecation, and if that fronting suffices for you, carry on with it. Your critique has no impact. It certainly doesn’t get anywhere near the core of my own concerns or values.

In a way I can say that I admire your tack of negation — as a polemical dance or performance — while I do not respect it on any level. Generally, and very much so in specifics, you are engaged with those acids I mentioned awhile back. You are also poisonous and have a certain malevolent intention.

In my view, and stepping back from your recent rehearsals, I note that this tone of negation and poisonousness is part of a disease that gets hold of people — as it has you. Your sense of *philosophy”, your use of it, the way you conduct yourself as the philosopher you seem to assume you are, is nothing I admire nor aspire to.

You will attack and try to knock over, to invalidate or ridicule, what you only understand superficially and partially. What is this … mechanism?

My present thinking is that it does not require a complex philosophical analysis to see what moves in you. How you and how people involved in that thought current that has you firmly gripped came to that position — that is the only thing that interests me about you.

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:26 pm
by Wizard22
Wizard22 wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:52 pmLOL, clueless... of course Scalpy cannot see anything "wrong" with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIR7Xk52jLY

Just like a pedo wouldn't see anything "wrong" with molesting a child as well:

Image
Alex is right though...this IS ROTTEN though!

Notice the background: "It's Not Going To Lick Itself".

What is that phrase referring to? Dpants, Scalper, Hairball???


You know what it's referring to, you damned LIARS!

It's referring to a man's anus. And it's a subliminal message pushed to children. Pedophiles. You support it.

YOU! ARE ROTTEN!!!

Re: Sex and the Religious-Left

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:28 pm
by Wizard22
Scum...you are EVIL and you pretend you're INNOCENT. :evil:

This is why the Religious-Right must smite down the Religious-Left.

This is why we are in a spiritual battle, with Demons. You pedophile defenders, need to be exposed for what you are!