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thedoc wrote:The thread is about the challenge for Atheists to provide some justification for their morality.

This is quite right, thedoc. But you and I know very well they'll never do it, for one very simple reason.

They can't.

Immanuel Can wrote:

thedoc wrote:The thread is about the challenge for Atheists to provide some justification for their morality.

This is quite right, thedoc. But you and I know very well they'll never do it, for one very simple reason.

They can't.

I'm far too busy doing good works to spare the time to explain myself to you, Lord Snooty.

Harbal wrote:

Immanuel Can wrote:

surreptitious57 wrote:But did you know that Hitler was a Christian?

He was an occultist, actually,

What, like a Catholic, or something?

Well spotted, sir. For anyone who missed it:

Immanuel Can wrote:Now, he did have a concordat with the Pope: but how "Catholic" he really was is very debatable. Certainly no Christian, not by a long chalk.

And there you have it. Hitler might have been a Catholic, but he certainly wasn't a Christian.

thedoc wrote:If the Bible is deemed to be worthless, then the contradictions and criticism is also.

Well, the contradictions are something that people who wish to believe the bible isn't worthless will have to deal with; really not my problem. As for the criticism: if a judgement of something as worthless* makes the judgement worthless, then a judgement of worthlessness of the worthlessness of the original judgement of worthlessness is almost certainly worthless.
*If only the word for that wasn't floccinaucinihilipilification, we could save time.

uwot wrote: Well spotted, sir. For anyone who missed it:

They do seem to have a lot of strange rituals and practices and then there's all that mumbling in a language that hardly anyone can understand. There's the child cruelty to the kids who were unlucky enough to find themselves in the hands of the nuns, very witch like. I also imagine all the child abusing priests had Satan's full support, as well. I suppose we should be thankful they can't get away with the inquisition any more.

uwot wrote: Well, the contradictions are something that people who wish to believe the bible isn't worthless will have to deal with; really not my problem.

It seems that the people who choose to believe in the contradictions, are not concerned that there seem to be contradictions. But the people who claim to not believe in the contradictions, because of the contradictions, seem to place a lot of importance on something they don't believe in.

Still not seeing a single value -- not anything at all -- that Atheism sponsors. Lots of talk, but no attempt to ante up.

A colossal bluff or distraction, it seems: but no answers.

Immanuel Can wrote:Still not seeing a single value -- not anything at all -- that Atheism sponsors. Lots of talk, but no attempt to ante up.

A colossal bluff or distraction, it seems: but no answers.

There are no answers, you idiot. You people have never been happy unless you've had someone to persecute but times have changed. Without the authority and power of the state behind him any more, God can't push folks about like he used to be able to. Get over it Mr. Snoot. Nobody's stopping you from having your quaint little view of things, just don't try pushing anybody else back into the dark ages. The tide is against you.

Immanuel Can wrote:Still not seeing a single value -- not anything at all -- that Atheism sponsors. Lots of talk, but no attempt to ante up.

A colossal bluff or distraction, it seems: but no answers.

That's because 'atheism' isn't anything you idiot. Just because someone doesn't happen to share your particular childish belief makes not one iota of difference to how considerately they behave towards others. People can't help it if they are more evolved and intelligent than you are. KKKristians tend to be the biggest arse-wipes around. It would seem that your kristian beliefs have the opposite effect to what the Jebus intended And you can stick your condescending and sneery contempt, because we don't like you a heck of a lot either.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:you idiot.

There seems to be a consensus emerging.

Immanuel Can wrote:

thedoc wrote:The thread is about the challenge for Atheists to provide some justification for their morality.

This is quite right, thedoc. But you and I know very well they'll never do it, for one very simple reason.

They can't.

Instead of all these posts, why don't you write a long book enumerating and explaining all the things theists can do that non-theists can't do...unless he becomes one like your eminent self requiring justification for any morality that doesn't conform to yours.

The non-theist remains thoroughly unchallenged by any challenges theists create. Your non-sequiturs are rampant regarding any real evaluation of morality which is far more expansive being secular and creative than the runt moralities, such as yours, conditioned by scripture and fictional gods.

People like yourself are among the main perpetrators of prejudice in the world. Your kind of theism I'd denote as disgusting and requires eradication if anything is to improve amidst all the disparity. God subtracted from the psyche does not negate the intent for a reasonably moral life within it...something your defunct "morality" can never come to terms with.

Instead, your version consists ONLY of what is mandated within the pages of a book considered sacred. Your morality is not "centered" within you as a creative endeavor but simply ordered and inflected by fiat. This makes you a throw-back and theism a fast losing proposition if we expect the world to gradually improve. It doesn't need more mass produced automatons who blindly accept and fervently condemn or denote others as lacking a justifiable morality.

Per the above quotes, the assumption that non-believers should justify themselves morally is tantamount to mind control, as decadent as any dictatorship with its secular god at the helm.

Even among secular Jews, God is no-longer kosher. Would they, in consequence, also need to justify their morality?

The improbability for God's existence has never been better provided for than by theists themselves. In that respect, atheists can never "justify" that conclusion nearly as well.

So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

Immanuel Can wrote:So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

The most spiteful comments are from you. You can barely contain your hatred for the unsuperstitious. You aren't even honest enough to express it openly. I doubt if many are fooled by you, but oddly you seem to have garnered a little fan club on here.

Immanuel Can wrote:So again...no answers. Raging, spite, frustration...but no answers.

The OP was right, it seems.

...you always have the same response for all the responses you did receive but don't like. A true theist ploy when there are no more bullets left to fire. It's time to beg your god for more inspiration to counter the infidels!