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Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:41 pm "Determinism" is the view that all phenomena are determined.

"Freedom" (and "free will" as a subset of it) is the view that there are at least some phenomena that are not determined.

Those two positions are mutually exclusive. If you think that all phenomena are determined, then it can't be the case that some phenomena are free.

If you think that at least some phenomena are free, then you can't think that all phenomena are determined.

All being in contrast to void is free given freedom is ability to act. A complete determinism allows for free will given all cause and effect chains are free to act in contrast to nothing. Freedom is a subset to being given it is the ability to act. It is action that not only allows freedom but necessitates freedom as a part of being. This freedom is complete given a diverging cause and effect chain allows for various possibilities to occur in some degree, shape or form.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:38 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:37 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:34 am No. Repeat it.

Hah. No. Figure it out.

The supreme cause is uncaused thus acausality is proven."

You still don't get it.

What is "uncaused" but also not "acausal"? Something eternal.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:49 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:38 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:37 am
Hah. No. Figure it out.

The supreme cause is uncaused thus acausality is proven."

You still don't get it.

What is "uncaused" but also not "acausal"? Something eternal.

Acausality is an absence of being caused (ie uncaused), you are failing to see the definition:

Acausality:

"not involving causation or arising from a cause : not causal"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acausal

Eternity is an uncaused condition thus necessitates acausality.



You are just backed in a hole and making up terms now, you don't get it do you?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:00 am ...you are failing to see the definition

No, as usual, you are missing the point.

This is more than a little futile...

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:06 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:00 am ...you are failing to see the definition

No, as usual, you are missing the point.

No you have no response, according to the dictionary acausal means uncaused. The first cause was without cause thus an acausal cause.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:09 am ...you have no response,

I have the response. You have no understanding.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:18 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:09 am ...you have no response,

I have the response. You have no understanding.

No, this is a response:

"Acausality is an absence of being caused (ie uncaused), you are failing to see the definition:

Acausality:

"not involving causation or arising from a cause : not causal"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/acausal

Eternity is an uncaused condition thus necessitates acausality."







What is uncaused is acausal.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jul 06, 2021 4:06 am This is more than a little futile...

Oh, the irony.