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Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:18 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:59 am
It was a generalization, besides you seem to have become a theist because of schizophrenia.
As for maths, the chance of the universe existing is unfathomably higher than the chance of our universe + a 3rd party intelligence behind it, existing. (Which is not to say that some theists can't happen to be right, it's just unlikely.)

As I stated - I don't believe God created the universe, I believe it came about as a result of the universe, but I won't go into that.

As far as "schizophrenia", I think I should let you in on that part of the story.

Since 1997 God\'God' introduced itself to me - in rather fucked up ways - and initially, I would admit - I thought I was losing my mind.

Eventually, I began to 'sus' things out. I am not going to go into all the my experiences in this thread, that to you and anyone reasonable would agree, is beyond 'just my mind manifestations'. I will start a thread soon, and you can take me on there.

I have worked in IT since 1997. In 2017 I worked from a Jap company called NEC - doing support for government contracts.

In one particular week, this 'God' entity started making it clear to me, that it wanted me to continue with my ART project - indeed, it forced me out of work. By the Thursday - all the lettering on my screen started to scramble - and someone in the office would yell out "DO ART" - I called God and Christ every expletive under the sun - I told them under my breath to "f*** OFF" - then someone across the office yelled out "f*** OFF" back.
Then flames would shoot across my screen.
Now if you understand the slightest thing about physics and what is plausible in the realm of 'multiple dimensions' - then you would at least understand - and that in an office - nobody yells out loudly f*** OFF. So I was the only one seeing and experiencing this.
At that point - plus the fact my boss was an incompetent twat - and the fact my house was fully paid off, I decided - f*** this. I told the boss I had a headache and left work. I went to my local doctor GP - and said I was suffering anxiety and needed a week off. - he obliged with a certificate.
I then wrote a letter to NEC to resign - (they required a weeks notice - so I never had to go back)

Eventually, I said to my sage\God (sage introduced himself to me in Nov 2005 - another long story) since they forced me out of work, I need income.

Two days later - a big wad of cash was deposited into my bank account with the title BT PORTFOLIO. (BT is my true initials DO_U_BT? - opposite to FAITH)

Now I was on what here is called Centrelink - claiming govt money - and they required me to keep applying for work otherwise those funds would be cut off. A friend of mine suggested I go see a psychiatrist since they can give 3 month certificates that would keep you from having to look for work.
SO I went to a government free psychiatrist. When I told him of my story since 1997, (ya know hearing a voice(s) seeing stuff out of the norm, and that of someone claiming to be a sage etc..) he said, so you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you. I said absolutely, to which he replied - I need to put something down on this certificate - to which I replied, well then DEFINE schizophrenia - maybe it's God f****** with peoples lives - and he said, right then, so I'll put that down on the cert quizzing ME if I agreed - I said ya go for it.
But I did add, hang on - so for me to get Centrelink off my back to look for a job each week, I have to take these medications you prescribe - I can't just yack with a psychologist? - he said yeah - U gotta take the meds (LMFAO)

So I continued to paint - didn't have to get up for the morning commute in heavy boring traffic everyday to work some boring job working for morons. I bought a dog, we have nice walks everyday and I do my art, program my website (which is on hold atm), and am writing the sequel to Alpha Two (a cyberpunk novel)
God told me "you are in heaven" - ...who arts in heaven? atto!

So ya, if hearing the voice of God and someone who introduced himself to me in 2005 from aether as a sage, and me basically telling a shrink to write on a certificate that I am a schizo - renders me a schizo to you - the so be it - good luck with your short-sighted atheist stunted life.


So anyway - I got shit loads of money in the bank - I have not yet had an art exhibition

Do 'you' just refer to the Sage/God as a "he", solely because of your upbringing, or because the Sage/God told 'you' directly that It is a "he"? Or, for some other reason?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:43 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:18 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:41 am

As I stated - I don't believe God created the universe, I believe it came about as a result of the universe, but I won't go into that.

As far as "schizophrenia", I think I should let you in on that part of the story.

Since 1997 God\'God' introduced itself to me - in rather fucked up ways - and initially, I would admit - I thought I was losing my mind.

Eventually, I began to 'sus' things out. I am not going to go into all the my experiences in this thread, that to you and anyone reasonable would agree, is beyond 'just my mind manifestations'. I will start a thread soon, and you can take me on there.

I have worked in IT since 1997. In 2017 I worked from a Jap company called NEC - doing support for government contracts.

In one particular week, this 'God' entity started making it clear to me, that it wanted me to continue with my ART project - indeed, it forced me out of work. By the Thursday - all the lettering on my screen started to scramble - and someone in the office would yell out "DO ART" - I called God and Christ every expletive under the sun - I told them under my breath to "f*** OFF" - then someone across the office yelled out "f*** OFF" back.
Then flames would shoot across my screen.
Now if you understand the slightest thing about physics and what is plausible in the realm of 'multiple dimensions' - then you would at least understand - and that in an office - nobody yells out loudly f*** OFF. So I was the only one seeing and experiencing this.
At that point - plus the fact my boss was an incompetent twat - and the fact my house was fully paid off, I decided - f*** this. I told the boss I had a headache and left work. I went to my local doctor GP - and said I was suffering anxiety and needed a week off. - he obliged with a certificate.
I then wrote a letter to NEC to resign - (they required a weeks notice - so I never had to go back)

Eventually, I said to my sage\God (sage introduced himself to me in Nov 2005 - another long story) since they forced me out of work, I need income.

Two days later - a big wad of cash was deposited into my bank account with the title BT PORTFOLIO. (BT is my true initials DO_U_BT? - opposite to FAITH)

Now I was on what here is called Centrelink - claiming govt money - and they required me to keep applying for work otherwise those funds would be cut off. A friend of mine suggested I go see a psychiatrist since they can give 3 month certificates that would keep you from having to look for work.
SO I went to a government free psychiatrist. When I told him of my story since 1997, (ya know hearing a voice(s) seeing stuff out of the norm, and that of someone claiming to be a sage etc..) he said, so you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you. I said absolutely, to which he replied - I need to put something down on this certificate - to which I replied, well then DEFINE schizophrenia - maybe it's God f****** with peoples lives - and he said, right then, so I'll put that down on the cert quizzing ME if I agreed - I said ya go for it.
But I did add, hang on - so for me to get Centrelink off my back to look for a job each week, I have to take these medications you prescribe - I can't just yack with a psychologist? - he said yeah - U gotta take the meds (LMFAO)

So I continued to paint - didn't have to get up for the morning commute in heavy boring traffic everyday to work some boring job working for morons. I bought a dog, we have nice walks everyday and I do my art, program my website (which is on hold atm), and am writing the sequel to Alpha Two (a cyberpunk novel)
God told me "you are in heaven" - ...who arts in heaven? atto!

So ya, if hearing the voice of God and someone who introduced himself to me in 2005 from aether as a sage, and me basically telling a shrink to write on a certificate that I am a schizo - renders me a schizo to you - the so be it - good luck with your short-sighted atheist stunted life.


So anyway - I got shit loads of money in the bank - I have not yet had an art exhibition

Do 'you' just refer to the Sage/God as a "he", solely because of your upbringing, or because the Sage/God told 'you' directly that It is a "he"? Or, for some other reason?

You need to pay close attention, I tend to refer to God as IT and the sage as 'he' - simply because when he talks to me...it is a male voice.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:07 am Seeds wrote:

Theists can't be any worse at math than those who misuse it in order to suggest that the reason why our life-friendly universe exists is because there were enough dud universes (perhaps 10^500 of them) that one of them (by sheer statistical chance) had to contain just the right ingredients.

Men will never know whether or not one of the universes "had to contain just the right ingredients".

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:07 am Either we presume we seek to discover nature as an orderly affair with natural laws, or we presume we are inventing the most appropriate narrative. We will never know the correct attitude to adopt.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:07 am As a result we are forced to establish whichever belief gets the best results.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:07 am The arbiter of what are ' best results' is the more powerful man (who may be an arch criminal, or Genghis Khan). Thus we have to choose whichever sage or prophet or philosopher seems most reliable and that obviously is not the selfish individual. It is reasonable to select the man whose life and work is the least selfish i.e. Jesus. Whether Jesus of Nazareth be mythical fiction or historical truth this man best exemplifies how life is lived so to diminish all known social evils. I.e not the advice or example of the richest or most powerful man but the advice and example of one who lived for ordinary human kindness , and that is the best result.

PS my 'religious mindset' such as it is is a pragmatic mind set.

Age wrote:
And, does God talk to 'you' also, or just the sage talks to 'you'?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:50 pm

Age wrote:
And, does God talk to 'you' also, or just the sage talks to 'you'?

I never read NE of your posts, unless I have to put up with them when addressing me.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:50 pm As I stated many years ago to Arising_uk ..I cannot discern whether it is 'God or the sage talking to me, unless the context is clear. As I stated above, 'f*** OFF' was yelled out across the office. So for example, in this case I would put it down to the 'God system'.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:50 pm When I am alone, and something pertinent is said to me, I tend to consider that it is the sage talking to me...via the God system.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:50 pm You in a few posts ago mentioned the 'devil' ...er...LMFAO, this buy_bull crap must be right up your alley...I have experienced how EVIL God can be, it don't need an excuse of some other entity. I hope I don't cross the line that God/sage have set for me ever again...3 month stints in hell...requires no devil, I suggest while on the subject you look up the truth about Lucifer.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 am

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:18 am

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 pm
That's a lot of explanation to evade the question of what you mean when you use the word, "ego." You are not obliged to explain what you mean, and if you don't choose to, that's fine, but why not just say, "I'm not going to explain it," or, "I don't know what it means." Of course, you don't have to do that either, in which case I'll have to draw my own conclusion that you just don't have a meaning when you use the word.

No, that's not much explanation, which invalidates the rest of what you wrote.

What you did is called reasoning from an invalid premise. I just called it that. You can call it that, too.

However, it does end explanation which by your false reckoning is already too long, cause you know, why waste my time on a self-appointed elevator inspector?

Plus, your attitude sucks.

You are unworthy.

I'm really sorry you feel that way. I was just trying to give you an opportunity to explain your view.

Don't worry about. I'll live with it. Thanks for the help!

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:41 am

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:59 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:27 am

Really? - in my last maths exam at college - i came top in my class, in fact I only got one question wrong. (but then I was not a theist since I did not believe in God - I had GNOSIS - I had knowledge of its existence.)

You cannot stereotype ALL theists as being of or having the same belief(s) - which is why this thread is ridiculous.

Consider this guy, in fact the Gregorian Calendar still used today was created by THEISTS:-
Christopher Clavius (25 March 1538 – 6 February 1612[1]) was a Jesuit German mathematician and astronomer who was a member of the Vatican commission that accepted the proposed calendar invented by Aloysius Lilius, that is known as Gregorian calendar. Clavius would later write defences and an explanation of the reformed calendar, including an emphatic acknowledgement of Lilius' work. In his last years he was probably the most respected astronomer in Europe and his textbooks were used for astronomical education for over fifty years in and even out of Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Clavius

Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about the above fact in an interview with Joe Rogan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2itlUlD10M
Joe Rogan - Neil deGrasse Tyson "I'm Not an Atheist!!"

I consider the likes of you and most atheists these days of the ilk of "militant atheists" - stemming from the arrogant likes of a Richard Dawkins calling theists deluded. - You appear to be of the ilk that either you believe in science or you believe in God. That is a RIDICULOUS notion.
There are plenty of physicists that ARE theists - that does not mean they are silly enough to believe there was some bloke in some void that spoke everything into existence! - but I am sure you wish that of all theists, since it's easy target practice.

It irks me when I state to people that I am in fact a Christian - since immediately there is a stigma, a stereotype of 'who' I am. (as this thread it attempting to do - put EVERYONE in some same 'loon' basket)

I am not certain that God created the universe itself - all I know without a shadow of doubt is that there is a 3rd party intelligence that is behind the construct of what we perceive as reality, and that entity, and those that have experienced it - people tend to call it GOD.

It was a generalization, besides you seem to have become a theist because of schizophrenia.
As for maths, the chance of the universe existing is unfathomably higher than the chance of our universe + a 3rd party intelligence behind it, existing. (Which is not to say that some theists can't happen to be right, it's just unlikely.)

As I stated - I don't believe God created the universe, I believe it came about as a result of the universe, but I won't go into that.

As far as "schizophrenia", I think I should let you in on that part of the story.

Since 1997 God\'God' introduced itself to me - in rather fucked up ways - and initially, I would admit - I thought I was losing my mind.

Eventually, I began to 'sus' things out. I am not going to go into all the my experiences in this thread, that to you and anyone reasonable would agree, is beyond 'just my mind manifestations'. I will start a thread soon, and you can take me on there.

I have worked in IT since 1997. In 2017 I worked from a Jap company called NEC - doing support for government contracts.

In one particular week, this 'God' entity started making it clear to me, that it wanted me to continue with my ART project - indeed, it forced me out of work. By the Thursday - all the lettering on my screen started to scramble - and someone in the office would yell out "DO ART" - I called God and Christ every expletive under the sun - I told them under my breath to "f*** OFF" - then someone across the office yelled out "f*** OFF" back.
Then flames would shoot across my screen.
Now if you understand the slightest thing about physics and what is plausible in the realm of 'multiple dimensions' - then you would at least understand - and that in an office - nobody yells out loudly f*** OFF. So I was the only one seeing and experiencing this.
At that point - plus the fact my boss was an incompetent twat - and the fact my house was fully paid off, I decided - f*** this. I told the boss I had a headache and left work. I went to my local doctor GP - and said I was suffering anxiety and needed a week off. - he obliged with a certificate.
I then wrote a letter to NEC to resign - (they required a weeks notice - so I never had to go back)

Eventually, I said to my sage\God (sage introduced himself to me in Nov 2005 - another long story) since they forced me out of work, I need income.

Two days later - a big wad of cash was deposited into my bank account with the title BT PORTFOLIO. (BT is my true initials DO_U_BT? - opposite to FAITH)

Now I was on what here is called Centrelink - claiming govt money - and they required me to keep applying for work otherwise those funds would be cut off. A friend of mine suggested I go see a psychiatrist since they can give 3 month certificates that would keep you from having to look for work.
SO I went to a government free psychiatrist. When I told him of my story since 1997, (ya know hearing a voice(s) seeing stuff out of the norm, and that of someone claiming to be a sage etc..) he said, so you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you. I said absolutely, to which he replied - I need to put something down on this certificate - to which I replied, well then DEFINE schizophrenia - maybe it's God f****** with peoples lives - and he said, right then, so I'll put that down on the cert quizzing ME if I agreed - I said ya go for it.
But I did add, hang on - so for me to get Centrelink off my back to look for a job each week, I have to take these medications you prescribe - I can't just yack with a psychologist? - he said yeah - U gotta take the meds (LMFAO)

So I continued to paint - didn't have to get up for the morning commute in heavy boring traffic everyday to work some boring job working for morons. I bought a dog, we have nice walks everyday and I do my art, program my website (which is on hold atm), and am writing the sequel to Alpha Two (a cyberpunk novel)
God told me "you are in heaven" - ...who arts in heaven? atto!

So ya, if hearing the voice of God and someone who introduced himself to me in 2005 from aether as a sage, and me basically telling a shrink to write on a certificate that I am a schizo - renders me a schizo to you - the so be it - good luck with your short-sighted atheist stunted life.


So anyway - I got shit loads of money in the bank - I have not yet had an art exhibition

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:27 am If you think it seems useful to be OPEN to the naturally divine, dynamically flowing, in ever present moment, then WHY do you NOT try BEING Truly OPEN some time, when LOOKING AT the words under the label of "age", just to SEE what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and OCCURS?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:59 am Yeah typical, in my country people don't receive lots of money after they hallucinate. Btw you are SO SPECIAL and far-sighted for having hallucinations, ffs I also had many for decades. Almost always saw through them (kinda).

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:57 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:59 am Yeah typical, in my country people don't receive lots of money after they hallucinate. Btw you are SO SPECIAL and far-sighted for having hallucinations, ffs I also had many for decades. Almost always saw through them (kinda).

Do you actually have a reasonable point to make?

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:09 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:57 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:59 am Yeah typical, in my country people don't receive lots of money after they hallucinate. Btw you are SO SPECIAL and far-sighted for having hallucinations, ffs I also had many for decades. Almost always saw through them (kinda).

Do you actually have a reasonable point to make?

Do you? You described a pretty standard psychotic break, with flames and God talking and voices shouting etc. There are at least 4-5 users on this forum with various forms of psychosis.
My original point btw was that no matter how unlikely our world is, adding some form of God to it seems to make it even unlikelier, unless the world works by magic and we can throw all reason out the window.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:25 pm

Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:09 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:57 pm

Do you actually have a reasonable point to make?

Do you? You described a pretty standard psychotic break, with flames and God talking and voices shouting etc. There are at least 4-5 users on this forum with various forms of psychosis.
My original point btw was that no matter how unlikely our world is, adding some form of God to it seems to make it even unlikelier, unless the world works by magic and we can throw all reason out the window.

Really? U have misconstrued what I have stated within this thread in your above statement...blaring what I stated so out of context, that yes indeed, I now as per above sound psychotic.

It shows either u have a lack of self assurance in yourself...or...an ego intent on bias and diminishing reason.

WANKSTAIN...show your worth and intelligent reason here, take me on (or STFU)
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