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Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:35 am
by BigMike
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:32 am
Parapsychology is by its nature peculiarly hard to study by set -up experiments.
Yes, because that would require real evidence, no mumbo jumbo.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:35 am
by Dontaskme
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:20 am
I wonder why we have physical bodies at all if they are not needed for interaction with physical reality.
Why eyes if we can see without them?
I wonder why there are lots of physical people and not many non-physical spirits in the world.
Good point.
The idea of a spiritual realm in absurd. All that can be known is the physical realm.
All the people in our ethereal night-time dreams have no way of knowing or being able to tell each other they exist.
Ethereal dreams occur and are known only where there is a physical reality.
The ethereal dreams occur and are known to exist only because there is a physical brain present.
All OOB's and NDE's are experienced as and through a physical body.
Also, where was the idea of a God, or a spiritual realm in the time when dinosaurs roamed the earth for millions of years?
The human brain is just so full of BS..in my opinion.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:40 am
by Harry Baird
BigMike, since you're obviously not interested in a dispassionate examination of the evidence and arguments with which I've supplied you, it's time for me to disengage, at least for the moment.
There's no reason why the encyclopaedia of a society formed to study the phenomena in question should be summarily dismissed, especially by a pundit who thinks that the MDC has any relevance, but apparently you're quite comfortable displaying your bias to the world, and if that's your wont, then have at it...
Just before disengaging (for now), though, here's a response to your latest:
BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:33 am
So you believe that your mind directly influences the atoms in your brain and body?
Of course. I don't see how else the atoms in my brain and body would effect the will of my mind as they do.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:42 am
by Belinda
BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:35 am
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:32 am
Parapsychology is by its nature peculiarly hard to study by set -up experiments.
Yes, because that would require real evidence, no mumbo jumbo.
There are psychological/social/historical/anthropological reasons why mumbo jumbo was and still is popular. We also know that modern science is imcomplete.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:43 am
by BigMike
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:40 am
BigMike, since you're obviously not interested in a dispassionate examination of the evidence and arguments with which I've supplied you, it's time for me to disengage, at least for the moment.
There's no reason why the encyclopaedia of a society formed to study the phenomena in question should be summarily dismissed, especially by a pundit who thinks that the MDC has any relevance, but apparently you're quite comfortable displaying your bias to the world, and if that's your wont, then have at it...
Just before disengaging (for now), though, here's a response to your latest:
BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:33 am
So you believe that your mind directly influences the atoms in your brain and body?
Of course. I don't see how else the atoms in my brain and body would effect the will of my mind as they do.
~ Another one bites the dust ~
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:43 am
by henry quirk
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:28 amWell, it's also where you part company with the evidence then, hq.
I'll be the judge of that.
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Maybe you just haven't encountered it in its strongest form before though, so that's completely understandable
I know some of it. I neither dismiss nor accept it.
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but do check out the book I linked to above at least.
I'll give it a look-see.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:44 am
by Harry Baird
BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:43 am
~ Another one bites the dust ~
Yep, but don't feel too bad - you tried.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:48 am
by Dontaskme
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:40 am I don't see how else the atoms in my brain and body would effect the will of my mind as they do.
You have never seen the inside of your own brain or body to be able to tell yourself what you think you know.
Even when you look inside someone elses brain, via inspection through dissection...you will collapse the whole process of how the brain actually works. No human eye has ever seen an atom, or the inner workings of the brain.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:54 am
by Harry Baird
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:48 am
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:40 am I don't see how else the atoms in my brain and body would effect the will of my mind as they do.
You have never seen the inside of your own brain or body to be able to tell yourself what you think you know.
Even when you look inside someone elses brain, via inspection through dissection...you will collapse the whole process of how the brain actually works. No human eye has ever seen an atom, or the inner workings of the brain.
Hi, DAM. For the record, I think you're a lovely person with a heart of gold, but, philosophically, utterly irrational. Thus, I send the lovely person you are my best wishes, but I see no point in engaging with you as an incoherent would-be philosopher.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:04 pm
by BigMike
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:54 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:48 am
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:40 am I don't see how else the atoms in my brain and body would effect the will of my mind as they do.
You have never seen the inside of your own brain or body to be able to tell yourself what you think you know.
Even when you look inside someone elses brain, via inspection through dissection...you will collapse the whole process of how the brain actually works. No human eye has ever seen an atom, or the inner workings of the brain.
Hi, DAM. For the record, I think you're a lovely person with a heart of gold, but, philosophically, utterly irrational. Thus, I send the lovely person you are my best wishes, but I see no point in engaging with you as an incoherent would-be philosopher.
Harry is clearly suffering a mental collapse. He has reached an impasse. It is time for him to plot a new course.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:08 pm
by phyllo
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:20 am
I wonder why we have physical bodies at all if they are not needed for interaction with physical reality.
Why eyes if we can see without them?
It's a good question, phyllo, and one that I don't have a good answer to. This physical reality is a curious place.
How about this ...
If in a NDE or OBE you can understand and comprehend, apparently without using your brain, then what is the function or purpose of a brain?
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:17 pm
by Harry Baird
BigMike wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:04 pm
Harry is clearly suffering a mental collapse. He has reached an impasse. It is time for him to plot a new course.
Ah, BigMike, we all enjoy a good case of projection, but are you sure you want to reveal it to the world?
You refuse to engage with the evidence derived from the discipline of parapsychology, despite that that discipline has been a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) since 1969. What would those whacko members of the AAAS know though, right? Just wave your hand and dismiss it, and you've won the argument, right? Well done. You have at least revealed your grotesque bias.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:19 pm
by Harry Baird
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:08 pm
How about this ...
If in a NDE or OBE you can understand and comprehend, apparently without using your brain, then what is the function or purpose of a brain?
The physical brain cannot support the "emergence" of a mind, so a mind is necessary over and above the physical brain (with which it interacts).
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:23 pm
by phyllo
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:19 pm
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:08 pm
How about this ...
If in a NDE or OBE you can understand and comprehend, apparently without using your brain, then what is the function or purpose of a brain?
The physical brain cannot support the "emergence" of a mind, so a mind is necessary over and above the physical brain (with which it interacts).
Interacts in what way?
These ideas that you present suggest that eyes, ears, brains, etc are not necessary at all.
Re: Christianity
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:33 pm
by Harry Baird
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:23 pm
Harry Baird wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:19 pm
The physical brain cannot support the "emergence" of a mind, so a mind is necessary over and above the physical brain (with which it interacts).
Interacts in what way?
So as to exchange information and directives, etc.
phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:23 pm
These ideas that you present suggest that eyes, ears, brains, etc are not necessary at all.
Right. And yet we find ourselves in this reality, in which we have bodily eyes, ears, and brains the senses of which are replicated (but even better) when out of body. You can deny it, or you can try to understand it. Do I completely understand it? No. But, for better or worse, this is the way it is.