Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Report to the Academy

Since I have embraced BigMike’s theories my physical make-up has been changed: my very body now gives forth a flower-like fragrance! Layers of historical dross fell away and I fancy myself, nay I perceive I have become, an ethereal being and a coherent vehicle of the New Anthropology…

Purge the mind of the chains of false understanding! Come, determining realization, my doors are now ooen!

[attofishpi]

Let’s get one thing straight: rejecting determinism isn’t just a failure of intellect—it’s a failure of courage. Sapere Aude—“dare to know.” But instead of daring to face the implications of reality, these people bury their heads in the comforting sands of ignorance. They prefer the illusion of freedom over the rigor of truth, clinging to the idea that they are somehow exempt from the laws that govern the universe.

No actually Mike, there is no rejection of intellect and you are doing yourself a disservice of 'intellect' to continue your insistence that you are RIGHT.

..."a failure of courage. Sapere Aude—“dare to know.”" -

How shall i dare you to ACTUALLY know - to know the EVIL side of REAL IT Y - that of GOD

I will insist upon my sage that you be put through the TEST - how will your faith in atheism deal with such a TEST where everything within the next fortnight will be as a fought night EVERY day and night?

Will you succumb too weak to make a week

Do you accept the challenge?

If you truly have C_O_U_RAGE and this "DARE TO KNOW" ...then just state OUI in your next post.

How would you deal with the RECKONING - where GOD permeates your entire mind


DAY OF RECKONING

Two days of reckoning
I have felt
was it God's consciousness
that then I was dealt?
Feeling the chaos
the synapses switching
the heat of the Sun
and I'm just a son
why upon me
why should I see
the sea of the ocean
is in complete retreat
all of my knowledge
force fed to my pledge
my toes curling
over my soles near edge
the furnace burning
upon each thought is fraught
with the insatiable knowing
from which I was taught
for what I did
I must pay
too late to pray
I am the universe's prey
each thought twisted
upon itself
and I feel my flesh
no longer my self
but what does it matter
that is all I am
is my soul an ION
am I the ram
the beast
now fleeced
what did I pose
to this
far too many
QUEST_IONs
a bliss amiss
don't eat from the tree
or suck it and see
you'll be the sap
fool into its trap
where is my Christ
He doesn't help mice
that look down and wander
attempt to look up
and wonder
Y

[BigMike]

Let’s get one thing straight: rejecting determinism isn’t just a failure of intellect—it’s a failure of courage. Sapere Aude—“dare to know.” But instead of daring to face the implications of reality, these people bury their heads in the comforting sands of ignorance. They prefer the illusion of freedom over the rigor of truth, clinging to the idea that they are somehow exempt from the laws that govern the universe.

No actually Mike, there is no rejection of intellect and you are doing yourself a disservice of 'intellect' to continue your insistence that you are RIGHT.

..."a failure of courage. Sapere Aude—“dare to know.”" -

How shall i dare you to ACTUALLY know - to know the EVIL side of REAL IT Y - that of GOD

I will insist upon my sage that you be put through the TEST - how will your faith in atheism deal with such a TEST where everything within the next fortnight will be as a fought night EVERY day and night?

Will you succumb too weak to make a week

Do you accept the challenge?

If you truly have C_O_U_RAGE and this "DARE TO KNOW" ...then just state OUI in your next post.

How would you deal with the RECKONING - where GOD permeates your entire mind


DAY OF RECKONING

Two days of reckoning
I have felt
was it God's consciousness
that then I was dealt?
Feeling the chaos
the synapses switching
the heat of the Sun
and I'm just a son
why upon me
why should I see
the sea of the ocean
is in complete retreat
all of my knowledge
force fed to my pledge
my toes curling
over my soles near edge
the furnace burning
upon each thought is fraught
with the insatiable knowing
from which I was taught
for what I did
I must pay
too late to pray
I am the universe's prey
each thought twisted
upon itself
and I feel my flesh
no longer my self
but what does it matter
that is all I am
is my soul an ION
am I the ram
the beast
now fleeced
what did I pose
to this
far too many
QUEST_IONs
a bliss amiss
don't eat from the tree
or suck it and see
you'll be the sap
fool into its trap
where is my Christ
He doesn't help mice
that look down and wander
attempt to look up
and wonder
Y

Atto, your passion and conviction are undeniable, but your challenge is fundamentally misplaced. You present this "reckoning" as if it will unravel my understanding of reality or force me to see some divine truth I’ve been allegedly blind to. But let’s be clear: your appeal to personal experiences and poetic dramatization is no substitute for evidence or rational argument.

I’ve already dared to know—Sapere Aude—and what I’ve found is a universe governed by physical laws, not divine whims. Your “reckoning” is a narrative you’ve crafted, one shaped by your beliefs and interpretations of personal events. It may hold profound meaning for you, but that doesn’t make it a universal truth or a challenge to the deterministic framework supported by evidence.

If this "test" you propose is meant to intimidate or reveal some supposed cosmic truth, it misses the point. I don’t need to "succumb" to fear or faith to confront the reality of existence. I embrace the evidence, the laws of physics, and the principles of determinism because they are what’s observable, consistent, and universal—not the subjective proclamations of divine judgment.

You’re free to challenge my resolve, but unless your challenge is grounded in something more than metaphysical rhetoric, it does nothing to shake my foundation. Courage isn’t about succumbing to fear or threats—it’s about standing firm in the pursuit of truth, even when it’s uncomfortable. If you wish to engage, bring reason and evidence to the table—not just theatrics and poetry.

[attofishpi]

..oh thank GOD for that.

It was insisted that we must have the fought night of the TEST jinxed.

Thank GOD U R A COWARD Mike.

PS. Brian means courage.

[Alexis Jacobi]

So then, you all may well suppose it a terrible humiliation that I am now completing a chapter in Section 8 of The Course where I describe how the advent of BigMike changed everything for me. There I write:

“All the great leaders of philosophy who have ever existed, or who yet may exist, are pygmies in comparison to your transcendent genius!”

Turning our heads to the Light is never humiliation, but rather a deliverance.

Proceed emergent conglomeration of synapse and molecule!

Let the great Reordering begin!

[attofishpi]

..honestly - U R too much, and have no idea how much I was fretting.

[FlashDangerpants]

When people ask what drugs you've been taking they don't normally mean thalidomide.

[attofishpi]

When people ask what drugs you've been taking they don't normally mean thalidomide.

U appear to be suggesting that the mother of all real it y took thalidomide.

EN_GLAND

[Alexis Jacobi]

For me the paradigm of free will relative to determinism is that they appear to be in collusion. Determinism is a process, fixed by laws, by which determinations are made in the sense that it can negate any number of prior resolves that process may have encountered. Determinism is in that sense, recursive, a battle against itself; it is what critiques itself before finalizing the outcome...a drama which can happen in a matter of seconds without our noticing it, resembling, in effect, a free will episode which endorses the illusion that WE have decided.

Sublime utterance.

[attofishpi]

I still don't under_stand (*i refuse) wot BigMike means by me as a Christian - thus "religious" rejecting science and embracing something that is impossible!

What am I embracing per REALITY that is impossible? - perhaps then we can discuss where science must be rejected to embrace such a thang

[Atla]

For those who understand and accept reality—who grasp what is and isn’t true—the lingering questions might now be: So what? What’s next? Is that all there is?

What's next? Probably more pandemics, environmental disasters and maybe limited nuclear wars in the next 20 years, followed by global nuclear armageddon. We'll probably get to experience the nasty side of determinism.

[accelafine]

Mike, as much as I like you as a fairly fair debater upon this forum that is clearly wrong about what shape your version of the deterministic universe has formed you...basically like a pointless piece of poo..it doth indeed sadden me.

Instead of giving the middle finger do you realise that Brian only looks as if he's pointing to the previous post?

..RIGHT! This is a philosophy forum and I must address the glaring failure within your 'logic'..

HOW, did you know that Brian was giving the middle finger IF "Brian only looks as if he's pointing to the previous post? "

GET OUT OF THAT 1

The words on the avatar? Plus, why would you have him pointing at the previous post? It makes no logical sense, and we all know how logical and normal you are...
I was merely pointing out what it looks like he's doing because that most likely wasn't your intent.

[accelafine]

Cower for safety between the iron thighs of the deterministic overlords you blithering peasant!!

Let go of your anger and open up your heart to a new age of joy and prosperity under the loving embrace of determinism.

I see it! I see the light! The instant and permanent, but fragile and slow, both super and dooper.... Pooper indeed, and scooper to boot. A TRUTH almost beyond my capacity to squeal excitedly at.

But it is too late, I am on the outs, there is no way back into the cult for me now

Only the True Believers of science can bask in the warmth of Big Mike's Big Afterglow.

You do realise you are only coming across as a yappy little mean-spirited mutt don't you? Rather like wokie Democrat voters after the last US election
Wokies are the best. They always follow their own 'be kind' preachings

[BigMike]

Honestly, I am shocked—not a single one of you science deniers can articulate why you reject the laws of conservation, and by extension, determinism. Not one. You sit here, smugly dismissing the foundational principles of physics—principles that underpin everything from how your smartphone works to why the stars shine—and yet you have nothing to offer in return. No arguments, no evidence, not even a coherent thought. Just vague hand-waving and juvenile attempts at ridicule.

Are you not embarrassed? Are you not ashamed of yourselves? You rail against the very science that allows you to spew your nonsense on a digital platform, but when asked to explain your rejection, you freeze up like a deer in headlights. You insult science, and you insult me for defending it, but here’s the truth: your insults are meaningless. They’re the desperate flailing of people who know they have nothing of value to say but refuse to admit it.

Do you really think you’re swaying anyone? Do you honestly believe that your cowardly, anti-intellectual posturing earns you respect? It doesn’t. All it does is reveal your hypocrisy, your laziness, and your utter lack of intellectual courage. Sapere aude—dare to know! But you won’t. You don’t have the guts to confront your ignorance, so instead, you lash out, hoping to drag others down to your level.

You don’t deserve respect for this cowardice. If you can’t back up your rejection of science, then admit it. Until then, save your weak jabs and petty insults. They’re as hollow as your understanding of the universe.

[FlashDangerpants]

Being one of these science-deniers becomes more like being one of those moral fact-deniers every day.