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This will either shatter some delusions or cause some serious denial. Perhaps, even justification.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:14 pm Silver, a Canadian citizen, was an active member of the "Women's Wage Peace" organization, which advocated for Jewish-Arab dialogue, and she used to transport patients from Gaza to Israeli hospitals for treatment.
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But this is demagoguery, Gary. The overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" voted for Hamas in democratic elections.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:46 pm"Palestinians" didn't murder her. Hamas did.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:14 pm 'Palestinians' are really appreciative of Westerners who 'understand their plight and want to help'.
That is correct. But that does not give credit to Israelis for killing 10 times more innocents!Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:13 pmBut this is demagoguery, Gary. The overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" voted for Hamas in democratic elections.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:46 pm"Palestinians" didn't murder her. Hamas did.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:14 pm 'Palestinians' are really appreciative of Westerners who 'understand their plight and want to help'.
After the terrorist attacks, "Palestinians" organize public celebrations in the streets.
And on October 7, not only Hamas killed, but also crowds of “non-party people.”
Maybe 'Palestinians' would appreciate Hamas not making themselves billionaires at their expense, and then maybe the 'Palestinians' could supply themselves with their own water instead of depending on the kindness of Israel.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:46 pm"Palestinians" didn't murder her. Hamas did. Most Palestinians would probably appreciate drinking water more than anything else. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/ ... ough-watervegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:14 pm 'Palestinians' are really appreciative of Westerners who 'understand their plight and want to help'.
Meanwhile, religious fanatics in Israel like this one have taken over control of the illegal settlement of the West Bank pushing Palestinians even more to the edge.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu ... ttlements/
Whether from Hamas extremists or Israeli extremists, whenever people think they're 'chosen' by God, you know someone else is going to suffer.
What should Israel do? Ask nicely for the return of the hostages? How do you think that would go? How would you go about it?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:04 pmThat is correct. But that does not give credit to Israelis for killing 10 times more innocents!Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:13 pmBut this is demagoguery, Gary. The overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" voted for Hamas in democratic elections.
After the terrorist attacks, "Palestinians" organize public celebrations in the streets.
And on October 7, not only Hamas killed, but also crowds of “non-party people.”
Well, first of all, I would start by renouncing any religion that does not drive home the point that we are all in this together (as utterly equal brothers and sisters).accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:38 pmWhat should Israel do? Ask nicely for the return of the hostages? How do you think that would go? How would you go about it?bahman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:04 pmThat is correct. But that does not give credit to Israelis for killing 10 times more innocents!Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:13 pm
But this is demagoguery, Gary. The overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" voted for Hamas in democratic elections.
After the terrorist attacks, "Palestinians" organize public celebrations in the streets.
And on October 7, not only Hamas killed, but also crowds of “non-party people.”
Where do you live then? And none of that has anything to do with what I asked.seeds wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:30 pmWell, first of all, I would start by renouncing any religion that does not drive home the point that we are all in this together (as utterly equal brothers and sisters).accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:38 pmWhat should Israel do? Ask nicely for the return of the hostages? How do you think that would go? How would you go about it?
Secondly, I would also renounce any religion that does not comprehend that in the same way we all shared the exact same fate of awakening onto the surface of this planet together in human form,...
...likewise, we will share the exact same fate of whatever awaits us following the death of the body.
In other words, whether we are destined for eternal life in a higher context of reality following the death of the body,...
...or...
...destined for eternal oblivion because this might be all there is to our existence,...
...the point is that it will be exactly the same for all of us, regardless of what any of us did or believed while on earth.
And lastly, I would renounce any religion that does not instill in you how wrong it is to steal the land and homes of others.
So much for that seventh (Jewish/Old Testament) commandment...
And if you believe that the Jewish people, with the help of powerful Western militaries, have a right to violently reclaim the land that they once occupied thousands of years ago,...
...then, if you live in U.S.A, for example, you should have no problem with the Native American Indians, with the aid of the Chinese and Russian military, violently reclaiming the land that you and your ancestors have lived on for centuries.
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Oh, it certainly would be messy, but in some areas it would be fairly easy to figure out descendents, given that the tribes are fairly intact and return that land to them. You could start with those areas. Some of it would be very valuable and incredibly inconvenient for the people living there.accelafine wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:19 am Which tribe of 'native Americans' should the US be returned to? Would that be the indigenous Pretendian tribe, to which the famous indigenous singer Buffy Saint-Marie belongs? Apparently it's one of the biggest tribes.
Perhaps the problem derives from the Jews being cast out of The Garden and having no "homeland" until later on when they took it from another culture...vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:47 pm I assume that our resident wonkers are celebrating the current (very public) torture and murder of Israelis in Israel. It's strange, because it's wonkers who keep telling us that uncontrolled immigration is good, yet when it was Jews emigrating to Israel this was apparently a bad thing, even though Jews are indigenous to Israel ('indigenous' being another word beloved by wonkerdom). Anyone else confused by these (apparent) conflicts?
Could our delightful resident wonkers please explain and make logical sense of these anomalies?
