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I read this through the discussion of DAM and Henry.
Christian shot Muslims otherwise there was no Christianity anymore. That is against their teaching.
Apparently yes. Islam is the last true religion. Earth is the land of God. Muslims were trying to take it.
Given what Jesus said about enemies and possessions, that does not appear to be correct.
Delusional
Is your name Jed Clampett? You have a lie for every occasionhenry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 3:05 pmYou're a city dweller, yeah?The obvious reasoning is that people are a constant threat to you and you need to defend yourself.
Me, in the country, I use my shotgun to hunt. Never actually shot a man with it. Did use it to defend myself in a break-in (didn't fire it: just pointed the business end at the uninvited visitors).
So, no, that reasonin' ain't obvious at all ('cept, mebbe, to a city dweller).
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I'd only shoot you if you didn't leave, empty-handed, when I say get offa my lawn!if i snuck up on Henry's property and tried to steal a lawn chair, he'd probably run out onto the front porch in a bathrobe with his shotgun and shoot me. not because he cares about the lawn chair but because he needs and wants a reason to shoot a muthafucka.
Like with the break-in: I wouldn't fire it, I'd just point it. You, bein' bright, I'm sure you'd get the message and leave. And the plus for you: I won't even call the cops. What would be the point? I keep my lawn chair; you keep your sorry keister: it's all good.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:28 pm Sigh...
Just a reminder to the Christians here that, if they are willing, I'd appreciate them bringing their God to a discussion that revolves existentially around these factors:
1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God
The Christian God was described by Plotinus as the ineffable "ONE. It is known by the experience of dunamis. A person feels dunamis. They feel the quality of consciousness that produces Plato's forms and the ultimate source. It attracts those in need of meaning rather then morality.
https://iep.utm.edu/plotinus/
The ‘concept’ of the One is not, properly speaking, a concept at all, since it is never explicitly defined by Plotinus, yet it is nevertheless the foundation and grandest expression of his philosophy. Plotinus does make it clear that no words can do justice to the power of the One; even the name, ‘the One,’ is inadequate, for naming already implies discursive knowledge, and since discursive knowledge divides or separates its objects in order to make them intelligible, the One cannot be known through the process of discursive reasoning (Ennead VI.9.4). Knowledge of the One is achieved through the experience of its ‘power’ (dunamis) and its nature, which is to provide a ‘foundation’ (arkhe) and location (topos) for all existents (VI.9.6). The ‘power’ of the One is not a power in the sense of physical or even mental action; the power of the One, as Plotinus speaks of it, is to be understood as the only adequate description of the ‘manifestation’ of a supreme principle that, by its very nature, transcends all predication and discursive understanding. This ‘power,’ then, is capable of being experienced, or known, only through contemplation (theoria), or the purely intellectual ‘vision’ of the source of all things...........................
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
Because it reveals the inner path to conscious evolution rather then earthly morality which seems to be the goal of earthly Gods.
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in God?
Dasein as I understand it, is what we are, our primal essence, our being. It cannot be confused with acquired concepts of I or how we see ourselves. Christianity, not Christendom, encourages us to experience our nothingness or false sense of I to experience ourselves and our conscious potential
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God
Evil for me is defined by that quality which prevents conscious evolution. For this we need the help of the Spirit to become free of imagination which keeps us prisoners in Plato's Cave.
You know, this being a philosophy forum.
No pinheads please.
How many times does one that actually knows God exists have to address the above for you to STFU?iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:28 pm Sigh...
Just a reminder to the Christians here that, if they are willing, I'd appreciate them bringing their God to a discussion that revolves existentially around these factors:
1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in God
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God
You know, this being a philosophy forum.
No pinheads please.
iambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:28 pm Sigh...
Just a reminder to the Christians here that, if they are willing, I'd appreciate them bringing their God to a discussion that revolves existentially around these factors:
1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in God
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God
You know, this being a philosophy forum.
No pinheads please.
But I repeat myself...attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:23 amHow many times does one that actually knows God exists have to address the above for you to STFU?
1] to a demonstrable proof of the existence your God or religious/spiritual path
Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God' proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are
championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
To know God is via Christ - a bloke that went to his death stating he is the path - seems a likely place to start.
In the past 2000 years at some point in ones past life one would have had the chance to discover God via the one man worth.Y of the path.
Clearly most saw no worth in Christ and reincarnated according to their beliefs. Many these days reincarnate into atheist upbringing - it's just a choice one makes in ones current life. Clearly many people are not TRULY interested in the love of wisdom.
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
Already addressed above.
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path
Wo/men can be evil. God can also be evil, where required. Per my experience of this entity - it is very hard to <Live> when God does <eviL> to you.
Unbelievable.
This sort of ridiculous "assessment" is basically what one comes to expect now over at the New ILP. But it still boggles my mind to find it in a forum that is derived from Philosophy Now magazine.
This is the sort of "argument" one would expect to come upon in church or around the family dinner table at, say, the Mike Pence or the Amy Coney Barrett household.
But here?!
Listen dipshit, enough with the ad hominem reply, address each point, let's see what you got.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:33 amiambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:28 pm Sigh...
Just a reminder to the Christians here that, if they are willing, I'd appreciate them bringing their God to a discussion that revolves existentially around these factors:
1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in God
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God
You know, this being a philosophy forum.
No pinheads please.But I repeat myself...attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:23 amHow many times does one that actually knows God exists have to address the above for you to STFU?
1] to a demonstrable proof of the existence your God or religious/spiritual path
Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God' proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are
championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
To know God is via Christ - a bloke that went to his death stating he is the path - seems a likely place to start.
In the past 2000 years at some point in ones past life one would have had the chance to discover God via the one man worth.Y of the path.
Clearly most saw no worth in Christ and reincarnated according to their beliefs. Many these days reincarnate into atheist upbringing - it's just a choice one makes in ones current life. Clearly many people are not TRULY interested in the love of wisdom.
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
Already addressed above.
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path
Wo/men can be evil. God can also be evil, where required. Per my experience of this entity - it is very hard to <Live> when God does <eviL> to you.
Unbelievable.
This sort of ridiculous "assessment" is basically what one comes to expect now over at the New ILP. But it still boggles my mind to find it in a forum that is derived from Philosophy Now magazine.
This is the sort of "argument" one would expect to come upon in church or around the family dinner table at, say, the Mike Pence or the Amy Coney Barrett household.
But here?!
Care to point out exactly what I am stating that reminds you of what I can only presume to be fundamentalist evangelist twaddle?iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:33 amiambiguous wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:28 pm Sigh...
Just a reminder to the Christians here that, if they are willing, I'd appreciate them bringing their God to a discussion that revolves existentially around these factors:
1] a demonstrable proof of the existence of your God
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in God
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God
You know, this being a philosophy forum.
No pinheads please.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:23 amHow many times does one that actually knows God exists have to address the above for you to STFU?
1] to a demonstrable proof of the existence your God or religious/spiritual path
Simulation or Divine Reality - evidence of God\'God' proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=33214
2] addressing the fact that down through the ages hundreds of Gods and religious/spiritual paths to immortality and salvation were/are
championed...but only one of which [if any] can be the true path. So why yours?
To know God is via Christ - a bloke that went to his death stating he is the path - seems a likely place to start.
In the past 2000 years at some point in ones past life one would have had the chance to discover God via the one man worth.Y of the path.
Clearly most saw no worth in Christ and reincarnated according to their beliefs. Many these days reincarnate into atheist upbringing - it's just a choice one makes in ones current life. Clearly many people are not TRULY interested in the love of wisdom.
3] addressing the profoundly problematic role that dasein plays in any particular individual's belief in Gods and religious/spiritual faiths
Already addressed above.
4] the questions that revolve around theodicy and your own particular God or religious/spiritual path
Wo/men can be evil. God can also be evil, where required. Per my experience of this entity - it is very hard to <Live> when God does <eviL> to you.
This is the sort of "argument" one would expect to come upon in church or around the family dinner table at, say, the Mike Pence or the Amy Coney Barrett household.