Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:35 am
Yes, but they mean something.
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Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:46 am
It's a division of labour thing. Rousseau didn't cause the French Revolution, he wrote works critical of the French regime that the revolutionaries read aloud as they did the revolution. To submerge this in the Marxist language Jacobi has absorbed too much of, Rousseau did the theory and the revolutionaries did the praxis.
Similarly, Rousseau didn't do, didn't even cause la Terreur, he simply fashioned the theory of general will in which all men who participate in a suitable society really ought to come to their own realisation that they must choose to desire the same things as are desired by the others around them. And sure, he also provided the rationale to explain why those who stand outside the general will, adhering perhaps to their own religious beliefs rather than those of the community, you know, those guys can be put to death.
But Rousseau didn't cause the actual killing sprees in the French Revolution, he was already dead. It was the role of the leadership on the ground to set the terms of the actual polity and kill whoever must be slain, so Robespierre got that gig in the end.
Your boy Jacobi really does think of himself as the intellectual end of the operation. All the social pressures and shame powered conversion to the collectivist view of the good is very reminiscent of the general will. But some idiot like Wizzy has to do the Robespierre bit, Jacobi is a clean hands sort of tyrannical despot.
So how you would get dealt with isn't his remit. He stops short at saying that society should only tolerate those whos values conform with its general set (which isn't normally seen as a terrible claim, liberal democracies imprison people who try to overthrow them from time to time). And he tasks you with falling into line and wanting the correct things that ought to be wanted (a totalitarian request of course, but he writes all that stuff about Europeans hating themselves in order to argue that you already do this). And he can't afford to be explicit about what the correct things to want are, so he has to beat around the bush there.
But the actual order to kill you. That's not his to write.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:53 am
They definitely do.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:35 amYes, but they mean something.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:06 pm
I am neither going off the rails, nor suffering paranoia; I'm very calm, thank you. And the question isn't silly, because it naturally, and inevitably, arises out all you have been saying.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 11:10 amYou’re going off the rails because you paranoiacally imagine some grave action to be taken against you. The question is silly.
As an Englishman, I am aware of our heritage, as are many others, and while some of us find our history interesting, we have no desire to relive it. Society has evolved, and has been doing so since the first human beings walked the earth. My lack of enthusiasm for going back to how things used to be is not because of ignorance, it is a matter of taste and preference, and it can't be "educated" out of me. And you can't educate gayness out of homosexuals, either. So, if those of us who do not share your passion for the "old values" are to go along with your proposed scheme, some coercion will be necessary, and I would like to know what form you envisage it taking.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:22 pm
Isn't it interesting, and telling, that when you deprive the Liberal-Left-Marxist-Wokeists their Paraphilia...
...they literally think and claim "you're Hitler! you're killing usssss!!!"
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:25 pm
Flash is continuing on his un-sane track. He too ends with what he starts with. If you are seen as deviating even slightly from the terms of the present dispensation, you get the Nazi label. The entire point is to shut down any conversation, any exchange, that explores issues in depth.
This sort of •thinking• is deeply defective, but those captured by it do not see it that way. There is not much more, in terms of sound content, that I take away from the contributions made. I do appreciate the more balanced perspective of Atla though. He made some good points.
I do not follow politics much in the UK — and this is a counter-comment to Harbal’s belief that if Right leaning and Conservative ideas become popular that he, tapping on his laptop in his kitchen, could well be in danger — I am aware of a number of pro-white activists have recently been jailed for their opinions (and in one vase for having pro-white stickers).
In actual fact, in the UK and in the States, there is a sort of hyper-liberal activist regime that has, and uses, its political power to harass people through lawfare, or bankrupt those who cannot match the resources of the state, and are forced thereby into plea-deals.
There is also the extremely Orwellian mechanism of cancelling and destroying reputations and livelihood. The larger part of all this comes from the Left-Progressive side.
In my view Flash, Sculptor and Gary demonstrate how the thinking processes of deeply indoctrinated people operate. They work, simply put, with argument specters — loaded symbols, emblems of evilness — but totally side-step dealing straight on with the concepts presented. The purpose: hinder and divert actual intellectual work.
I believe that what is happening — slowly however — is a general awakening to these Orwellian techniques. Once they are seen through, they are defeated. That doesn’t mean that those who use perverted rhetoric will simply stop, indeed they turn up the false accusations.
These people correspond to religious fanatics in my view. They really believe they are •God’s own righteous children.• though they do not recognize a *God*. That transference of self-righteousness fascinates me.
These people, this dispensation, has extraordinary power in our present. What could counter it?
That is really the question.
This sort of •thinking• is deeply defective, but those captured by it do not see it that way. There is not much more, in terms of sound content, that I take away from the contributions made. I do appreciate the more balanced perspective of Atla though. He made some good points.
I do not follow politics much in the UK — and this is a counter-comment to Harbal’s belief that if Right leaning and Conservative ideas become popular that he, tapping on his laptop in his kitchen, could well be in danger — I am aware of a number of pro-white activists have recently been jailed for their opinions (and in one vase for having pro-white stickers).
In actual fact, in the UK and in the States, there is a sort of hyper-liberal activist regime that has, and uses, its political power to harass people through lawfare, or bankrupt those who cannot match the resources of the state, and are forced thereby into plea-deals.
There is also the extremely Orwellian mechanism of cancelling and destroying reputations and livelihood. The larger part of all this comes from the Left-Progressive side.
In my view Flash, Sculptor and Gary demonstrate how the thinking processes of deeply indoctrinated people operate. They work, simply put, with argument specters — loaded symbols, emblems of evilness — but totally side-step dealing straight on with the concepts presented. The purpose: hinder and divert actual intellectual work.
I believe that what is happening — slowly however — is a general awakening to these Orwellian techniques. Once they are seen through, they are defeated. That doesn’t mean that those who use perverted rhetoric will simply stop, indeed they turn up the false accusations.
These people correspond to religious fanatics in my view. They really believe they are •God’s own righteous children.• though they do not recognize a *God*. That transference of self-righteousness fascinates me.
These people, this dispensation, has extraordinary power in our present. What could counter it?
That is really the question.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:29 pm
Precisely, which is why they are the "Religious-Left".Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:25 pm Flash is continuing on his un-sane track. He too ends with what he starts with. If you are seen as deviating even slightly from the terms of the present dispensation, you get the Nazi label. The entire point is to shut down any conversation, any exchange, that explores issues in depth.
This sort of •thinking• is deeply defective, but those captured by it do not see it that way. There is not much more, in terms of sound content, that I take away from the contributions made. I do appreciate the more balanced perspective of Atla though. He made some good points.
I do not follow politics much in the UK — and this is a counter-comment to Harbal’s belief that if Right leaning and Conservative ideas become popular that he, tapping on his laptop in his kitchen, could well be in danger — I am aware of a number of pro-white activists have recently been jailed for their opinions (and in one vase for having pro-white stickers).
In actual fact, in the UK and in the States, there is a sort of hyper-liberal activist regime that has, and uses, its political power to harass people through lawfare, or bankrupt those who cannot match the resources of the state, and are forced thereby into plea-deals.
There is also the extremely Orwellian mechanism of cancelling and destroying reputations and livelihood. The larger part of all this comes from the Left-Progressive side.
In my view Flash, Sculptor and Gary demonstrate how the thinking processes of deeply indoctrinated people operate. They work, simply put, with argument specters — loaded symbols, emblems of evilness — but totally side-step dealing straight on with the concepts presented. The purpose: hinder and divert actual intellectual work.
I believe that what is happening — slowly however — is a general awakening to these Orwellian techniques. Once they are seen through, they are defeated. That doesn’t mean that those who use perverted rhetoric will simply stop, indeed they turn up the false accusations.
These people correspond to religious fanatics in my view. They really believe they are •God’s own righteous children.• though they do not recognize a *God*. That transference of self-righteousness fascinates me.
These people, this dispensation, has extraordinary power in our present. What could counter it?
That is really the question.
I believe, at this point, that only a strengthening of the Religious-Right can 'counter' them.
Left and Right must be balanced, in their respective fanaticisms...and they battle around Sex and Sexuality.
This is why "It's Okay to be White" posters are banned in the UK, and seek to be criminal acts in the US.
The former "Liberals" do not, in fact, support Free Speech. That was the Big Lie of the late 20th Century.
Liberals are no different from the Fascists they accuse others of.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:31 pm
I appreciate your glossary enunciation of your notion of values and your statement about where you locate yourself. You create an impregnable fort and hole up inside it.Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:06 pm As an Englishman, I am aware of our heritage, as are many others, and while some of us find our history interesting, we have no desire to relive it. Society has evolved, and has been doing so since the first human beings walked the earth. My lack of enthusiasm for going back to how things used to be is not because of ignorance, it is a matter of taste and preference, and it can't be "educated" out of me. And you can't educate gayness out of homosexuals, either. So, if those of us who do not share your passion for the "old values" are to go along with your proposed scheme, some coercion will be necessary, and I would like to know what form you envisage it taking.
Everything you have said is debatable and challengeable — through ethically-based and morally-based enunciation of ideas.
If this position is the one you’ve worked out for yourself — stay with it! It is certainly a safe one.
Other people, myself as well, explore other avenues of thought. And we are capable of explaining our views in clear, rational terms.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:38 pm
But you choose to go the other way.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:31 pm And we are capable of explaining our views in clear, rational terms.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:41 pm
If you marry within your own Race
-AND-
If you are white
-THEN-
You are evil, Nazi, Hitler.
This is the paradigm of the Liberal-Left-Woke-Marxists, which Dpants, Scalper, and Hairball subscribe to.
They don't care about racial purity...of La Raza, Latin Americans, of Han Chinese, of black Africans. So it's not racial purity that they really care about. And if you are white, and you are pro-race-mixing, or have mixed-race children, then that is Morally Good and to be encouraged. It is only when you maintain your race, AND you are white, that you are Literally-Hitler. We've seen, in these recent 10 pages, that this is Dpant's explicit "rationalization" process.
And it doesn't matter whether it's incidental, that a white man and white woman actually love each other, are attracted to each-other, and there are no ulterior reasons and motivations...it's still Morally Evil, to the Liberal-Left.
The point was brought up, why is Hitler/Nazis the Paragon of Evil here...but not Stalin, and not Bush/Cheney/Clinton???
Was it because of World War II? No, because nobody demonizes the world leaders of World War I. So it's not about WWII particularly.
I believe it was because Goebbels and Himmler explicitly attempted to exterminate the Jewish Race within Europe, when it was apparent they were losing and would definitely lose WWII. That was when the 'Final Solution' was ramped-up. Because that, specifically, caused Hitler and Nazis to be the Paragons of Evil, up to now.
And it is why the Liberal-Left, more than anything else, wants to limit...if not genocide, themselves, the "White Race", as a method of Revenge for what was done to Jews in WWII. Are all White people, Nazi-Germans??? No, not even close. Are all Europeans "White"? Also no, that's ridiculous.
Does the Liberal-Left-Marxist-Wokeists, give a shit, about Reality?
No, they don't, because their propaganda and ideologies are not based in Reality.
That's what we're dealing with, Alexis, a fundamentalist, disconnected-from-reality, Religious-Left.
The more Fantastical and Insane they are, in their heads, the more effective they've become...up to now. That needs to end.
-AND-
If you are white
-THEN-
You are evil, Nazi, Hitler.
This is the paradigm of the Liberal-Left-Woke-Marxists, which Dpants, Scalper, and Hairball subscribe to.
They don't care about racial purity...of La Raza, Latin Americans, of Han Chinese, of black Africans. So it's not racial purity that they really care about. And if you are white, and you are pro-race-mixing, or have mixed-race children, then that is Morally Good and to be encouraged. It is only when you maintain your race, AND you are white, that you are Literally-Hitler. We've seen, in these recent 10 pages, that this is Dpant's explicit "rationalization" process.
And it doesn't matter whether it's incidental, that a white man and white woman actually love each other, are attracted to each-other, and there are no ulterior reasons and motivations...it's still Morally Evil, to the Liberal-Left.
The point was brought up, why is Hitler/Nazis the Paragon of Evil here...but not Stalin, and not Bush/Cheney/Clinton???
Was it because of World War II? No, because nobody demonizes the world leaders of World War I. So it's not about WWII particularly.
I believe it was because Goebbels and Himmler explicitly attempted to exterminate the Jewish Race within Europe, when it was apparent they were losing and would definitely lose WWII. That was when the 'Final Solution' was ramped-up. Because that, specifically, caused Hitler and Nazis to be the Paragons of Evil, up to now.
And it is why the Liberal-Left, more than anything else, wants to limit...if not genocide, themselves, the "White Race", as a method of Revenge for what was done to Jews in WWII. Are all White people, Nazi-Germans??? No, not even close. Are all Europeans "White"? Also no, that's ridiculous.
Does the Liberal-Left-Marxist-Wokeists, give a shit, about Reality?
No, they don't, because their propaganda and ideologies are not based in Reality.
That's what we're dealing with, Alexis, a fundamentalist, disconnected-from-reality, Religious-Left.
The more Fantastical and Insane they are, in their heads, the more effective they've become...up to now. That needs to end.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:49 pm
I do not feel endangered, and I'm not worried, or panicking, or going "off the rails", but I can see how your representing me as such enables you to dismiss my questioning as hysterical paranoia. You see, it is not just your views that make you an object of suspicion, it is more the underhand and deceitful techniques you employ in promoting them.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:25 pm
I do not follow politics much in the UK — and this is a counter-comment to Harbal’s belief that if Right leaning and Conservative ideas become popular that he, tapping on his laptop in his kitchen, could well be in danger — I am aware of a number of pro-white activists have recently been jailed for their opinions (and in one vase for having pro-white stickers).
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:49 pm
Good point.
Simply mentioning control or restriction in the realm of sexual expression — and certainly a self-restrictive curtailment of unbridled sexual expression — is taken as a deadly, violent violation of their *rights*.par·a·phil·i·a (păr′ə-fĭl′ē-ə, -fēl′yə)
n.
1. A condition, such as exhibitionism or masochism, in which sexual gratification is derived from activities or fantasies that are generally regarded as atypical or deviant.
2. Such a condition when it causes distress or impaired functioning in the individual or actual or potential harm to others; a paraphilic disorder.
If the recommended restraint is presented by a religionist, especially a Christian, then the most over the top intensely emoted rehearsals of opposition are called forth.
In my view these rehearsals feature spoiled children who know their power (they do have rights) but like spoiled children refuse to accept limits or restrictions posed by an adult.
I always like to include a cultural text. And this one is perfect for this purpose.
This is how extreme cultural propaganda works. It is geared toward children (youths) and its purpose is the *capture them* ideologically, but emotionally.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:49 pm
I'll go further.
It wasn't, ever, "enough" for the Allied Powers to win WWII. It wasn't enough, that my grandfathers fought and won their wars. It wasn't enough that Hitler and Nazi-Germany were defeated... instead, the motivation for Revenge, never ended. It only started, then. And that desire for Revenge had not yet come to fruition. Because the survivors of WWII, were simply just thankful to be alive and to come out of it alive. Thus the economic and cultural Booms and Boons of the 1950s (by which the MAGA movement recalls right now), were extremely prosperous. And there was 'world peace', for a brief moment at least. Much of the Baby-Boomer generation want to return to this time, in the past.
Because Western Prosperity has sunk, today.
The Party is over, officially. It was over in 1999.
So when the plateau happens, or the economy sinks, and Westerners need somebody to blame for their Hopelessness, what happens? History starts repeating. Some on the right blame the Jews. Some on the left blame the Nazis.
But that's only the simple-minded approach to the Propaganda. They're using Century-old idioms, threats, and slander. The Nazis were defeated, morons, and the Jews survived.
So update your Thinking, fast.
It wasn't, ever, "enough" for the Allied Powers to win WWII. It wasn't enough, that my grandfathers fought and won their wars. It wasn't enough that Hitler and Nazi-Germany were defeated... instead, the motivation for Revenge, never ended. It only started, then. And that desire for Revenge had not yet come to fruition. Because the survivors of WWII, were simply just thankful to be alive and to come out of it alive. Thus the economic and cultural Booms and Boons of the 1950s (by which the MAGA movement recalls right now), were extremely prosperous. And there was 'world peace', for a brief moment at least. Much of the Baby-Boomer generation want to return to this time, in the past.
Because Western Prosperity has sunk, today.
The Party is over, officially. It was over in 1999.
So when the plateau happens, or the economy sinks, and Westerners need somebody to blame for their Hopelessness, what happens? History starts repeating. Some on the right blame the Jews. Some on the left blame the Nazis.
But that's only the simple-minded approach to the Propaganda. They're using Century-old idioms, threats, and slander. The Nazis were defeated, morons, and the Jews survived.
So update your Thinking, fast.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:56 pm
That's a really weird claim. None of us cares about the skin tone of your wife, we are concerned for her physical safety and mental welfare but that's a whole other issue.
Here I really must protest. I would never use the word "literally" that way, this a grotesque assault on my grammatical character and I demand satisfaction sir.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:41 pm They don't care about racial purity...of La Raza, Latin Americans, of Han Chinese, of black Africans. So it's not racial purity that they really care about. And if you are white, and you are pro-race-mixing, or have mixed-race children, then that is Morally Good and to be encouraged. It is only when you maintain your race, AND you are white, that you are Literally-Hitler. We've seen, in these recent 10 pages, that this is Dpant's explicit "rationalization" process.
Nope, you're being weird again.
That's too many question marks for such a boring question. It's just whataboutism. We're all happy to call Stalin Bush and Clinton evil - Sculptor made a post about exactly that. And seriously, who has ever described Dick Cheney as anything other than evil? That's a triple question makr question right there you semi-literate bozo.
You're doing this Hitler apologist thing right out in the open and still complaining about being called a nazi?Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:41 pm Was it because of World War II? No, because nobody demonizes the world leaders of World War I. So it's not about WWII particularly.
I believe it was because Goebbels and Himmler explicitly attempted to exterminate the Jewish Race within Europe, when it was apparent they were losing and would definitely lose WWII. That was when the 'Final Solution' was ramped-up. Because that, specifically, caused Hitler and Nazis to be the Paragons of Evil, up to now.
You are one dumb motherfucker my man.
You may as well just cross the finish line now. Just say the words.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:41 pm And it is why the Liberal-Left, more than anything else, wants to limit...if not genocide, themselves, the "White Race", as a method of Revenge for what was done to Jews in WWII. Are all White people, Nazi-Germans??? No, not even close. Are all Europeans "White"? Also no, that's ridiculous.
Does the Liberal-Left-Marxist-Wokeists, give a shit, about Reality?
Oh I am sure Alexis is super happy that you bundled him up in this transparent confession of nazi intent you just wrote.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:41 pm No, they don't, because their propaganda and ideologies are not based in Reality.
That's what we're dealing with, Alexis, a fundamentalist, disconnected-from-reality, Religious-Left.
The more Fantastical and Insane they are, in their heads, the more effective they've become...up to now. That needs to end.
Re: Sex and the Religious-Left
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 12:57 pm
Oh joy. The bigots have taken over. So much for trying to appease them. 