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Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:24 am
by Belinda
seeds wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:09 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:46 am
seeds wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:01 pm
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I think that the religious mindset dilemma...
(or any rigid mindset based on one's interpretation of reality)
...can be summed up in the problem portrayed in the "blind men and the elephant" image...
Many humans latch-on to a particular interpretation of reality (via brainwashing or choice) without being able to see that what they believe may only be a representation of one minor aspect of a far greater whole.
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I try to be the zoological manikin who stands a lot further away from the elephant and so gets a larger perspective on the whole animal.
Yes, Belinda. Any true philosopher worth her salt should adopt that attitude, which is simply an alternate version of the proverbial
"seeing the forest for the trees" approach to how one discerns reality.
The problem is that there is no way of knowing if you are truly observing the "whole forest" from the "highest" vantage point, or simply standing on an elevated (cloud-veiled) ridge where you have latched-on to yet another tree that somehow fools you into believing that you are above the forest.
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I agree. And this is why humans are tragic. We want to do good and can never entirely know when we are good, if at all. The best way ahead is to try for more and more objective distancing from the elephant. This "objective distancing" includes empathy and sympathy.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:39 am
by Walker
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 am
I'm really sorry you feel that way. I was just trying to give you an opportunity to explain your view.
Don't worry about. I'll live with it. Thanks for the help!
How generous of you, dispensing opportunities.
Quote:
“It does not matter what we use to achieve self-justification; the wisdom of sacred books, diagrams or charts, mathematical calculations, esoteric formulae, fundamentalist religion, depth psychology, or any other mechanism. Whenever we begin to evaluate, deciding that we should or should not do this or that, then we have already associated our practice or our knowledge with categories, one pitted against the other, and that is spiritual materialism, the false spirituality of our spiritual adviser. Whenever we have a dualistic notion such as, ‘I am doing this because I want to achieve a particular state of consciouness, a particular state of being,’ then automatically we separate ourselves from the reality of what we are.”
- Trungpa Rinpoche
Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:09 pm
by Walker
Personally, I suspect Trungpa Rinpoche would have preferred to call Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism, Cutting Through Spiritual Bullshit, but that title wasn't appropriate for the times.
The wisdom and tolerance of IC does tend to lull atheists into the confused view that appropriate discourse concerning religion, a topic longer-lived by far than any one’s personal subjective notions of what religion is and should be, or should not be, implanted into consciousness and advised by the spiritual advisor of ego, is a one-way street.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:34 pm
by Walker
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:21 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:01 pm
I think that the religious mindset dilemma...
(or any rigid mindset based on one's interpretation of reality)
...can be summed up in the problem portrayed in the "blind men and the elephant" image...
Great point!
And yes, it applies to any rigid mindset... such as anything that someone does/thinks religiously or in an addicted or hypnotic manner.
Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
It's a lunch, with leftovers.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:59 pm
by Lacewing
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Lacewing to seeds wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:21 pm
And yes, it applies to any rigid mindset... such as anything that someone does/thinks religiously or in an addicted or hypnotic manner.
Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
I don't know that "not believing in something" is a mindset, nor short-sighted.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:07 pm
by attofishpi
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:59 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Lacewing to seeds wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:21 pm
And yes, it applies to any rigid mindset... such as anything that someone does/thinks religiously or in an addicted or hypnotic manner.
Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
I don't know that "not believing in something" is a mindset, nor short-sighted.
So your implication is that atheists don't believe in ANYTHING. ergo short-sighted should be a complement.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:14 pm
by Lacewing
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:07 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:59 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
I don't know that "not believing in something" is a mindset, nor short-sighted.
So your implication is that atheists don't believe in ANYTHING.
So are you purposefully misrepresenting or are you just being stupid or drunk? I'm really not interested in talking to you.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:21 pm
by attofishpi
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:14 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:07 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:59 pm
I don't know that "not believing in something" is a mindset, nor short-sighted.
So your implication is that atheists don't believe in ANYTHING.
So are you purposefully misrepresenting or are you just being stupid or drunk? I'm really not interested in talking to you.
Well, your post just proved you are a hypocrite (and a desperate one - the worse kind).
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:27 pm
by Lacewing
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:21 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:14 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:07 pm
So your implication is that atheists don't believe in ANYTHING.
So are you purposefully misrepresenting or are you just being stupid or drunk? I'm really not interested in talking to you.
Well, your post just proved you are a hypocrite (and a desperate one - the worse kind).
More of your distortions. You are the one who sounds desperate. Bye.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:31 pm
by attofishpi
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:27 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:21 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:14 pm
So are you purposefully misrepresenting or are you just being stupid or drunk? I'm really not interested in talking to you.
Well, your post just proved you are a hypocrite (and a desperate one - the worse kind).
More of your distortions. You are the one who sounds desperate. Bye.
...and the hypocrisy continues.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:59 pm
by henry quirk
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:21 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:01 pm
I think that the religious mindset dilemma...
(or any rigid mindset based on one's interpretation of reality)
...can be summed up in the problem portrayed in the "blind men and the elephant" image...
Great point!
And yes, it applies to any rigid mindset... such as anything that someone does/thinks religiously or in an addicted or hypnotic manner.
*Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
*and the addled sage-burners
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:03 pm
by henry quirk
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:59 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Lacewing to seeds wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:21 pm
And yes, it applies to any rigid mindset... such as anything that someone does/thinks religiously or in an addicted or hypnotic manner.
Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
*I don't know that "not believing in something" is a mindset, nor short-sighted.
*probably not the
not believing part so much as the
I'm right, you're wrong; I'm evolved, you're a subhuman part.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:12 pm
by Lacewing
henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:03 pm
I'm right, you're wrong
Spoken by someone who repeats it often.
Go sit on a pile of burning sage.
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:18 pm
by henry quirk
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:12 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:03 pm
I'm right, you're wrong
Spoken by someone who repeats it often.
Go sit on a pile of burning sage.
will you kiss my boo-boos if I do?
Re: Understanding the religious mindset
Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:49 pm
by seeds
Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:34 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:07 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:21 pm
Great point!
And yes, it applies to any rigid mindset... such as anything that someone does/thinks religiously or in an addicted or hypnotic manner.
Including short sighted mindsets - ATHEISM.
It's a lunch, with leftovers.
What the heck is that supposed to mean?
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