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Nick_A wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:48 pm
Harbal has been obsessed with the bush for years. It is a way of affirming that he is one of the beautiful people. His bushisms don't have to have any truth in them.

The (alleged) Bushism wasn't mine, Nick, you're not paying attention.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:15 pm

davidm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:10 pm That's an awesome quote from Simone. I may have misunderestimated her.

Apparently, she led what may be called a double life. It all came to a head when Mrs Goebbels came home unexpectedly and found Simone in the marital bed with Joseph, wearing his cap and Nazi armband and nothing else. Needles to say, after that, she found it necessary to make herself scarce ASAP and scarpered to America. As for Goebbels, the master of propaganda found himself tested to the limit as far as his famous, persuasive, rhetorical skills were concerned, and even then never managed to fully convince his wife that Simone had just wandered into dem Haus and slipped into their bed, uninvited, while he was having his afternoon nap. You won't find that in any of the biographies.

How could this be? Her background was Jewish which the Nazis would have known. If true Adolf would have been extremely pissed off at his propaganda minister. The story sounds more defamatory than real. What's the source for it since Goebbels had access to far better looking women, mostly actresses, which he took complete advantage of until his boss told him to keep his pecker in the closet.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:38 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:05 pm Nick wrote;

The hypocrisy of multinational corporations is just an extension of what you are. Taken together it is called the fallen human condition. We are hypocrites so what can be expected other than hypocrisy?

There is a huge difference of degree between the machinations of multinational corporations and the petty self deceptions that you or I do. Great institutions become autonomous and separated from the human.

I think this is a major fallacy. It's tantamount to saying humans cease to be responsible in proportion to the megaliths they create. This is a very dangerous idea one that monolithic corporations, financial institutions, etc., depend on by being accepted as too big to fail. We hear that expression a lot lately! Corporations depend on that being true shielding the excess power of those who control them.

The "petty deceptions", as those that exist between individuals, are the same deceptions massively magnified by corporations. To imagine otherwise is to succumb completely to the duplicity of those in control.

Responsibility is only reasonable when there is a choice. Multinational corporations are just expressions of what we ARE. There is no choice. Choice only begins for those who admit what they are and go through the conscious struggle to change. A multinational corporation is like a large slug and a slug cannot be other than what it is. If we could collectively change, then it would be all different. But it is too insulting to consider the question so people prefer to live in statist slavery in the attempt to control these large corporations forgetting that tyranny doesn't lead to freedom. We rely on the finest politically correct speeches, secular intolerance, and the cries of Oprah to change things. It doesn't so eventually the society hits bottom and the survivers begin again with the solemn pledge never to allow this situation to occur again. This is like an alcoholic saying I've stopped drinking. It all begins again on the next day. Since we ARE as we ARE, everything IS as it IS. No amount of wonderful secularisms will change it. Until people admit the human condition and what is required to heal it, everything collectively continues as is. Only a few are willing to admit the human condition within them much less what is necessary to heal it so we are left with meaningless fine speeches and demagogues

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:46 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:36 pm

davidm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:10 pm

That's an awesome quote from Simone. I may have misunderestimated her.

Have Bushisms become part of the language or did he get them from 'MeriamWebster'?

It's a clever coupling, no doubt intentional, of misunderstood and underestimated.

Right. Bush is a genius.

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:38 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:05 pm Nick wrote;

The hypocrisy of multinational corporations is just an extension of what you are. Taken together it is called the fallen human condition. We are hypocrites so what can be expected other than hypocrisy?

There is a huge difference of degree between the machinations of multinational corporations and the petty self deceptions that you or I do. Great institutions become autonomous and separated from the human.

I think this is a major fallacy. It's tantamount to saying humans cease to be responsible in proportion to the megaliths they create. This is a very dangerous idea one that monolithic corporations, financial institutions, etc., depend on by being accepted as too big to fail. We hear that expression a lot lately! Corporations depend on that being true shielding the excess power of those who control them.

The "petty deceptions", as those that exist between individuals, are the same deceptions massively magnified by corporations. To imagine otherwise is to succumb completely to the duplicity of those in control.

I think it is common knowledge that large multinational corporations have too much power over people. They can and do monopolise supplies of commodities and services. They can and do serve the interests of investors so that consumer goods and services are over priced. It is a constant work of consumers and our political representatives to stop these vested interests becoming too dictatorial and even criminal.

Common people for all our "petty deceptions" simply haven't the power of huge capitalist corporations especially the giant multinationals. Look at Venezuela where American oil interests are machinating to overturn an effective government.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:17 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:46 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:36 pm
Have Bushisms become part of the language or did he get them from 'MeriamWebster'?

It's a clever coupling, no doubt intentional, of misunderstood and underestimated.

Right. Bush is a genius.

...no doubt that he would be the first to agree!

Nick_A wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:15 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:38 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:05 pm Nick wrote;



There is a huge difference of degree between the machinations of multinational corporations and the petty self deceptions that you or I do. Great institutions become autonomous and separated from the human.

I think this is a major fallacy. It's tantamount to saying humans cease to be responsible in proportion to the megaliths they create. This is a very dangerous idea one that monolithic corporations, financial institutions, etc., depend on by being accepted as too big to fail. We hear that expression a lot lately! Corporations depend on that being true shielding the excess power of those who control them.

The "petty deceptions", as those that exist between individuals, are the same deceptions massively magnified by corporations. To imagine otherwise is to succumb completely to the duplicity of those in control.

Responsibility is only reasonable when there is a choice. Multinational corporations are just expressions of what we ARE. There is no choice. Choice only begins for those who admit what they are and go through the conscious struggle to change. A multinational corporation is like a large slug and a slug cannot be other than what it is. If we could collectively change, then it would be all different. But it is too insulting to consider the question so people prefer to live in statist slavery in the attempt to control these large corporations forgetting that tyranny doesn't lead to freedom. We rely on the finest politically correct speeches, secular intolerance, and the cries of Oprah to change things. It doesn't so eventually the society hits bottom and the survivers begin again with the solemn pledge never to allow this situation to occur again. This is like an alcoholic saying I've stopped drinking. It all begins again on the next day. Since we ARE as we ARE, everything IS as it IS. No amount of wonderful secularisms will change it. Until people admit the human condition and what is required to heal it, everything collectively continues as is. Only a few are willing to admit the human condition within them much less what is necessary to heal it so we are left with meaningless fine speeches and demagogues

You seem to be on the right track, but the analogy I would use is 'ant hill' or 'termite nest'. Large corporations are really nothing more than a very large number of pen-pushers and bean-counters, just ordinary people going to work, except that their 'work' involves making sure that the best monetary interests of the stockholders are met. Ordinary people who as a collective whole become a greedy and malevolent psychopath. Individual ants and termites are probably quite charming, with diverse personalities. It's the 'whole being greater than the sum of the individuals' that gives us problems (especially when they are living under your house).

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:08 pm
How could this be? Her background was Jewish which the Nazis would have known. If true Adolf would have been extremely pissed off at his propaganda minister. The story sounds more defamatory than real. What's the source for it since Goebbels had access to far better looking women, mostly actresses, which he took complete advantage of until his boss told him to keep his pecker in the closet.

I have no reason to doubt my source.

Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:55 pm

Nick_A wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:48 pm
Harbal has been obsessed with the bush for years. It is a way of affirming that he is one of the beautiful people. His bushisms don't have to have any truth in them.

The (alleged) Bushism wasn't mine, Nick, you're not paying attention.

Nick is just phoning it in now.

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Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:57 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:08 pm
How could this be? Her background was Jewish which the Nazis would have known. If true Adolf would have been extremely pissed off at his propaganda minister. The story sounds more defamatory than real. What's the source for it since Goebbels had access to far better looking women, mostly actresses, which he took complete advantage of until his boss told him to keep his pecker in the closet.

I have no reason to doubt my source.

So you and IC have something in common after all!

There is something about secularism having the Great Beast of society as its god and especially secular women that abhors women of inner beauty. They will do whatever they can to ridicule this quality since it questions self importance and suggests that it offers something the Beast cannot. This is too insulting to tolerate.

It is an ancient idea for example in the legend of Cinderella Which Disney updated

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderell ... film)#Plot

Cinderella’s sisters Anastasia and Drizella are your typical secular feminists. They are self centered, negative, and anxious to take advantage of what doesn’t support their misguided self importance in their quest for prestige. Yet Cinderella wins the prince not by self deception and manipulation but instead by what she is. Amongst the secularists, all Cinderellas or women of inner beauty must be frowned upon. Yet amongst regular people they are loved and respected. For some reason the secular feminists are called educated while regular people respect the quality they offer society and are considered uneducated. It is safe to conclude that secular education is really indoctrination into the absurd. The fact that Simone Weil can simultaneously be loved and hated to the degree that she is even many years after her death is a sign that she is indeed a woman with inner beauty and a growing beneficial influence for society that has lost its spiritual meaning.

davidm

Kids kids kids

OK, you must be an advocate of metaphysical repression with the goal of spirit killing to have such disdain for the young. You are probably also pro abortions of convenience with the view that if we cannot kill them physically, we'll kill them spiritually. The success of progressive education.

davidm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:04 pm...

Oh my god, David... that is so funny!

Nick, this would be some of your best work!!!

The future of man. The cries of Oprah. Vertical human consciousness and crush the natural impulse towards it. Simone Simone Simone Weil Weil Weil the cave the cave the cave cave cave cave cave cave Plato’s cave chained. Chained! The kids. The kids! Kids kids kids kids. In the case of goat-human congress, won’t someone think of the kids? The kids. Kids cave cave kids. The Beast. The Great Beast. A great big beautiful beast. Bigly. Make the Beast great again. The remnants of secular Man will reside on an enormous space ship. Millions of decapitated heads placed in vats will be the total of life on this craft. As always, Simone Weil said it best:

I may have the face of a bat but I shag like a rabbit.

Like a rabbit. A rabbit! Like. A. Rabbit. Rabbit rabbit rabbit kids kids kids beast. Secular man. Secular. Secular intolerance. The Beast. The cries of Oprah. Politically correct. The growls and scowls of the indoctrinated. The indoctrinated. The Beast. The Great Beast. The Secular Beast. The future of man.

The randomizer is a good idea too! Just so you don't lose our interest any more than you already have.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:31 pm

davidm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:04 pm...

Oh my god, David... that is so funny!

Nick, this would be some of your best work!!!

The future of man. The cries of Oprah. Vertical human consciousness and crush the natural impulse towards it. Simone Simone Simone Weil Weil Weil the cave the cave the cave cave cave cave cave cave Plato’s cave chained. Chained! The kids. The kids! Kids kids kids kids. In the case of goat-human congress, won’t someone think of the kids? The kids. Kids cave cave kids. The Beast. The Great Beast. A great big beautiful beast. Bigly. Make the Beast great again. The remnants of secular Man will reside on an enormous space ship. Millions of decapitated heads placed in vats will be the total of life on this craft. As always, Simone Weil said it best:

I may have the face of a bat but I shag like a rabbit.

Like a rabbit. A rabbit! Like. A. Rabbit. Rabbit rabbit rabbit kids kids kids beast. Secular man. Secular. Secular intolerance. The Beast. The cries of Oprah. Politically correct. The growls and scowls of the indoctrinated. The indoctrinated. The Beast. The Great Beast. The Secular Beast. The future of man.

The randomizer is a good idea too! Just so you don't lose our interest any more than you already have.

David's philosophy concerning the human condition. can be reduced to three words. These three words which offer both the recognition of and solution to the human condition are "Yo Momma Sucks." Could Nietzsche have said it better? No, a stroke of genius secularism will be forever grateful for.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:15 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:38 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:05 pm Nick wrote;



There is a huge difference of degree between the machinations of multinational corporations and the petty self deceptions that you or I do. Great institutions become autonomous and separated from the human.

I think this is a major fallacy. It's tantamount to saying humans cease to be responsible in proportion to the megaliths they create. This is a very dangerous idea one that monolithic corporations, financial institutions, etc., depend on by being accepted as too big to fail. We hear that expression a lot lately! Corporations depend on that being true shielding the excess power of those who control them.

The "petty deceptions", as those that exist between individuals, are the same deceptions massively magnified by corporations. To imagine otherwise is to succumb completely to the duplicity of those in control.

Responsibility is only reasonable when there is a choice. Multinational corporations are just expressions of what we ARE. There is no choice. Choice only begins for those who admit what they are and go through the conscious struggle to change. A multinational corporation is like a large slug and a slug cannot be other than what it is. If we could collectively change, then it would be all different. But it is too insulting to consider the question so people prefer to live in statist slavery in the attempt to control these large corporations forgetting that tyranny doesn't lead to freedom. We rely on the finest politically correct speeches, secular intolerance, and the cries of Oprah to change things. It doesn't so eventually the society hits bottom and the survivers begin again with the solemn pledge never to allow this situation to occur again. This is like an alcoholic saying I've stopped drinking. It all begins again on the next day. Since we ARE as we ARE, everything IS as it IS. No amount of wonderful secularisms will change it. Until people admit the human condition and what is required to heal it, everything collectively continues as is. Only a few are willing to admit the human condition within them much less what is necessary to heal it so we are left with meaningless fine speeches and demagogues

I don't disagree with most of what you say although I'd give it far more sinister consequences if it comes to a boiling point, which seems to be inevitable.

What I object to is your use of the terms secular and secularism which in actuality can be anything which is not theistically inclined or excludes theistic interpretations. Calling the Present Age "The Great Beast" is apropos when considering the ponderous and failing institutions which are currently in control. An analogy would be one of super massive stars which keeps synthesizing elements to keep itself in operation until the Iron Age when it all implodes.

The Secular is replete with labels such as given by an Age to an Age - not unlike the one you apply to the current period. In that sense "Secularism" is granted a temporary title, a connotational description or placeholder as it were. Its denotational features, conversely, can default to any narration possible between an Iron Age and a Golden one.