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Toadny wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: You can't invent anything using LSD.

Dr Kary Banks Mullis won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1993 for the invention of PCR, a technique which would allow certain sequences of DNA to be amplified for testing. This would would revolutionise DNA chemistry, making it far easier to isolate, amplify and test DNA sequences. In an interview, Dr Mullis attributed part of theorising this breakthrough to LSD:

"Would I have invented PCR if I hadn’t taken LSD? I seriously doubt it. I could sit on a DNA molecule and watch the polymers go by. I learnt that partly on psychedelic drugs."

Whilst some of the conceptualising might have been done on LSD, the actual scientific work,; verification; measuring; lab work; writing up; peer review - in fact the real work of science could not have been done whilst on LSD.
If you had dropped any tabs of LSD you would know this.

You belong here chazzy...drugs and thinking.
I bet you can teach me a lot about inebriation and being fucked in the head.

Tell me more about your diplomas and how they authorized your stupidity.

chaz wyman wrote:
Whilst some of the conceptualising might have been done on LSD, the actual scientific work,; verification; measuring; lab work; writing up; peer review - in fact the real work of science could not have been done whilst on LSD.

But your claim didn't relate to verification, lab work etc, your claim was that "you can't invent anything using LSD". And that's exactly what Mullis did.

Toadny wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:
Whilst some of the conceptualising might have been done on LSD, the actual scientific work,; verification; measuring; lab work; writing up; peer review - in fact the real work of science could not have been done whilst on LSD.

But your claim didn't relate to verification, lab work etc, your claim was that "you can't invent anything using LSD". And that's exactly what Mullis did.

But it does relate to all that.

chaz wyman wrote:

But your claim didn't relate to verification, lab work etc, your claim was that "you can't invent anything using LSD". And that's exactly what Mullis did.

But it does relate to all that.

That doesn't make sense Chaz. Invention doesn't necessarily require verification, lab work, measurement.

Toadny wrote:

chaz wyman wrote:

But your claim didn't relate to verification, lab work etc, your claim was that "you can't invent anything using LSD". And that's exactly what Mullis did.

But it does relate to all that.

That doesn't make sense Chaz. Invention doesn't necessarily require verification, lab work, measurement.

Dream on.

chaz wyman wrote: Dream on.

And of course not all invention is scientific in nature, so that much invention doesn't involve verification, lab work etc at all.

LSD was a big deal for Steve Jobs. How big? Evidently, Jobs believed that experimenting with LSD in the 1960s was "one of the two or three most important things he had done in his life." What's more, he felt that there were parts of him that the people he knew and worked with could not understand, simply because they hadn't had a go at psychedelics. This latter sentiment also comes through in his recently-published biography, wherein Jobs goes so far as to associate what he interpreted as Bill Gates' dearth of imagination with a lack of psychedelic experimentation:

"Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

"He'd be a broader guy," Jobs says about Gates, "if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger."

Francis Crick — of the DNA-structure discovering Watson, Crick, and Franklin — reportedly told numerous friends and colleagues about his LSD experimentation during the time he spent working to determine the molecular structure that houses all life's information.

In fact, in a 2004 interview, Gerrod Harker recalls talking with Dick Kemp — a close friend of Crick's — about LSD use among Cambridge academics, and tells the Daily Mail that the University's researchers often used LSD in small amounts as "a thinking tool." Evidently, Crick at one point told Kemp that he had actually "perceived the double-helix shape while on LSD."

Toadny wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Dream on.

And of course not all invention is scientific in nature, so that much invention doesn't involve verification, lab work etc at all.

You can dream as much as you like on LSD, but in the end you have to show the goods, and that requires a straight mind.

chaz wyman wrote: You can dream as much as you like on LSD, but in the end you have to show the goods, and that requires a straight mind.

And you can invent things on LSD, and then explain your invention to others later. That's what all the people I showed you did, they invented things on LSD, which is what you said was impossible.

And you can wriggle and squirm as much as you like, but in the end anybody else who reads this discussion can see you were wrong, and that you just don't want to admit it.

Toadny wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: You can dream as much as you like on LSD, but in the end you have to show the goods, and that requires a straight mind.

And you can wriggle and squirm as much as you like, but in the end anybody else who reads this discussion can see you were wrong, and that you just don't want to admit it.

And you can wriggle and squirm as much as you like,
Whilst some of the conceptualising might have been done on LSD, the actual scientific work,; verification; measuring; lab work; writing up; peer review - in fact the real work of science could not have been done whilst on LSD.
If you had dropped any tabs of LSD you would know this.

BTW Can you please cite your source for Crick and Watson.

chaz wyman wrote: Whilst some of the conceptualising might have been done on LSD, the actual scientific work,; verification; measuring; lab work; writing up; peer review - in fact the real work of science could not have been done whilst on LSD.

"The real work of science"! What are you, some kind of scientific Sunday School teacher? Maybe you think you are my Dad?

Conceptualising is invention Chaz. If you meant to say "it's not easy to do paperwork on LSD", you should have said so. As it is, you made a false claim.

If you had dropped any tabs of LSD you would know this.

But you see, since I was giving examples of people inventing things on LSD, and not merely doing the paperwork, your point about its effects on our ability to do the paperwork is irrelevant.

Also, from what I have seen, it's generally a tactical error to make assumptions about other peoples' knowledge, expertise and experience in forums like these, because you don't have any evidence, whereas I (in the present example) do know what I've been up to.

Toadny wrote:

chaz wyman wrote: Whilst some of the conceptualising might have been done on LSD, the actual scientific work,; verification; measuring; lab work; writing up; peer review - in fact the real work of science could not have been done whilst on LSD.

"The real work of science"! What are you, some kind of scientific Sunday School teacher? Maybe you think you are my Dad?

Well you are acting like a baby.



BTW Can you please cite your source for Crick and Watson.