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Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:53 pm
by Arising_uk
Well, it certainly pointed out why some stars appeared older than the universe.
It also pointed out that the current model, i.e. the BBT has an infinite universe 'ending' and made me think you're thinking about eternal rather than infinite.
But most of all it reminded me that philosophical metaphysicians, if they believe their theories, should take up maths and physics and prove them to the physicists.
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:02 pm
by Godfree
Arising_uk wrote:Well, it certainly pointed out why some stars appeared older than the universe.
It also pointed out that the current model, i.e. the BBT has an infinite universe 'ending' and made me think you're thinking about eternal rather than infinite.
But most of all it reminded me that philosophical metaphysicians, if they believe their theories, should take up maths and physics and prove them to the physicists.
Infinite universe ending ,,,???
the current finite universe will expand forever ,,???
but that doesn't reach infinity ,,!!
you are forever in the process of getting to infinity ,
but you never actually get there .
an infinite universe is already there ,
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:31 pm
by Arising_uk
Go do the maths and physics and prove your theories as in philosophy we've pretty much given up on metaphysics as the last lot appear to have found a method for proving what they say.
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:41 am
by chaz wyman
Godfree wrote:I am not confused Chaz ,
the facts don't support the big bang , the facts don't support Olbers Paradox ,
Wrong.
The best minds in Physics (all of them atheists) say that the BBT is currently the best fit to save the appearances.
Are we supposed to take your word against their's?
the facts don't support a finite universe ,
All the facts demand a finite universe. An infinite universe is NOT a possible object of experience, such a thing cannot be either observed, nor can it be verified - EVER.
but science is slow and reluctant to take onboard such truths , because they have to admit they had it wrong .
No, science continually changes to support observation. That has been the way it is since Copernicus.
The dates and ages of galaxies all very real Chaz ,
We can see 13 billion light years ,, according to science,,!!!
some of the things we see that are 13 billion years old,
Yes, and not a day older - QED the date of the start of the observable universe, QED the BBT is correct.
Case closed.
are OLD galaxies ,
referred to as the ,Observational data .
google it Chaz ,,or don't you want to know the truth ,,!!!
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:50 am
by Godfree
[quote="chaz wyman"][quote="Godfree"]I am not confused Chaz ,
the facts don't support the big bang , the facts don't support Olbers Paradox ,
Wrong.
The best minds in Physics (all of them atheists) say that the BBT is currently the best fit to save the appearances.
Are we supposed to take your word against their's?
I find that hard to believe Chaz ,,all of them Atheists ,,???
so you don't include in your best minds , the likes of Hubble, ???
and you would say that minds that don't agree ,,aren't best ,
if you agree your a best mind ,and if you don't your not ,???
I think you will find within any group of minds
more religious people than Atheists ,
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:55 pm
by Arising_uk
Probably changed but the last time I checked 'scientists' had an above average proportion of believers compared to our population.
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:50 pm
by Godfree
Arising_uk wrote:Probably changed but the last time I checked 'scientists' had an above average proportion of believers compared to our population.
I don't think much has changed .
You would be lucky to find all Atheists at an Atheists club ,
theres bound to be a sneaky christian or two in there ,
just to keep an eye on us , we might be plotting to expose religion for the ignorance that it is ...
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:28 pm
by chaz wyman
Arising_uk wrote:Probably changed but the last time I checked 'scientists' had an above average proportion of believers compared to our population.
I think you have that backwards.
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:30 pm
by chaz wyman
Godfree wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Godfree wrote:I am not confused Chaz ,
the facts don't support the big bang , the facts don't support Olbers Paradox ,
Wrong.
The best minds in Physics (all of them atheists) say that the BBT is currently the best fit to save the appearances.
Are we supposed to take your word against their's?
I find that hard to believe Chaz ,,all of them Atheists ,,???
so you don't include in your best minds , the likes of Hubble, ???
and you would say that minds that don't agree ,,aren't best ,
if you agree your a best mind ,and if you don't your not ,???
I think you will find within any group of minds
more religious people than Atheists ,
There are more atheists in the scientific community than outside it.
But even those that have a, say, Spinozan view of God could not be called "religious" in any sense.
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:27 pm
by Godfree
Getting back to the original question ,
surely each and every religious group imagines god is their god ,???
when the christians and the muslims go to war they both think god is on their side ,
is any view of god the correct one , according to some god is unknowable .
yet most claim to know what this god , " their god" wants .
why not ask how many gods are there ,
who said there was only one ,
are you so arrogant as to assume that the model for god that you were taught is the right one , and all others have it wrong ,
most ancient religions had multiple gods , gods for this gods for that,
so take of your prejudice and start from scratch ,
is there a god or gods ,???,,how many gods ??? what power do they/it have ,??
where did god or gods come from , if we can't accept the universe always was , why can we so easily see god as
"always was" ,,if god always was , why not the universe ,,!!!!
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:00 am
by chaz wyman
Godfree wrote:Getting back to the original question ,
surely each and every religious group imagines god is their god ,???
Yes, unless the religious group does not have a god. (so far so good)
when the christians and the muslims go to war they both think god is on their side ,
Yep, and when the Germans went to war against the British 1914-18, both sides had God on their side.
is any view of god the correct one , according to some god is unknowable .
yet most claim to know what this god , " their god" wants .
why not ask how many gods are there ,
who said there was only one ,
are you so arrogant as to assume that the model for god that you were taught is the right one , and all others have it wrong ,
most ancient religions had multiple gods , gods for this gods for that,
so take of your prejudice and start from scratch ,
is there a god or gods ,???,,how many gods ??? what power do they/it have ,??
where did god or gods come from , if we can't accept the universe always was , why can we so easily see god as
"always was" ,,if god always was , why not the universe ,,!!!!
So , now answer the question.
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:27 am
by Godfree
So , now answer the question.
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you did accuse me of having a chat with myself ,
but surely the hope is to get someone else to offer an answer ,
if I have to ask the questions and provide the answers , what are you here for ,???
the point was , people can imagine infinity ,
so why not extend that infinite concept to include everything ,
I just been reading that science is claiming 156 billion light years for the diameter of the known universe ,
so the bits at the outer edges have covered 78 billion light years , in 13.7 billion years , IF THE BBT WAS TRUE ,
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:17 pm
by chaz wyman
Godfree wrote:
you did accuse me of having a chat with myself ,
but surely the hope is to get someone else to offer an answer ,
if I have to ask the questions and provide the answers , what are you here for ,???
the point was , people can imagine infinity ,
so why not extend that infinite concept to include everything ,
I just been reading that science is claiming 156 billion light years for the diameter of the known universe ,
so the bits at the outer edges have covered 78 billion light years , in 13.7 billion years , IF THE BBT WAS TRUE ,
No, donkey the question is staring you in the face.
So , now answer the question.
If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:53 pm
by Godfree
chaz wyman wrote:Godfree wrote:
you did accuse me of having a chat with myself ,
but surely the hope is to get someone else to offer an answer ,
if I have to ask the questions and provide the answers , what are you here for ,???
the point was , people can imagine infinity ,
so why not extend that infinite concept to include everything ,
I just been reading that science is claiming 156 billion light years for the diameter of the known universe ,
so the bits at the outer edges have covered 78 billion light years , in 13.7 billion years , IF THE BBT WAS TRUE ,
No, donkey the question is staring you in the face.
So , now answer the question.
If God Exists, Is It Our God?
define Our , who exactly is we ,
are we talking western christian god ,
and are you then suggesting the other gods ,
don't exist ,
I'm sure there are lots of christians who already think their god
is the only one .
if god exists , it wouldn't belong to anybody ,
it wouldn't be ours or theirs ,
if god exists ,which I give ZERO PROBABILITY ,
then it would be one universal god for all of the religions .
typical honky , even wants to own god ,,
if you want peace on earth , "OUR" ,is everyone
this separative attitude is not good ,
we must be all inclusive ,
"Does OUR god exist"
and the answer is of course ,,"NO" ,,,!!!
next question
Re: If God Exists, Is It Our God?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:47 pm
by chaz wyman
Godfree wrote:chaz wyman wrote:Godfree wrote:
you did accuse me of having a chat with myself ,
but surely the hope is to get someone else to offer an answer ,
if I have to ask the questions and provide the answers , what are you here for ,???
the point was , people can imagine infinity ,
so why not extend that infinite concept to include everything ,
I just been reading that science is claiming 156 billion light years for the diameter of the known universe ,
so the bits at the outer edges have covered 78 billion light years , in 13.7 billion years , IF THE BBT WAS TRUE ,
No, donkey the question is staring you in the face.
So , now answer the question.
If God Exists, Is It Our God?
define Our , who exactly is we ,
are we talking western christian god ,
and are you then suggesting the other gods ,
don't exist ,
I'm sure there are lots of christians who already think their god
is the only one .
if god exists , it wouldn't belong to anybody ,
it wouldn't be ours or theirs ,
if god exists ,which I give ZERO PROBABILITY ,
then it would be one universal god for all of the religions .
typical honky , even wants to own god ,,
if you want peace on earth , "OUR" ,is everyone
this separative attitude is not good ,
we must be all inclusive ,
"Does OUR god exist"
and the answer is of course ,,"NO" ,,,!!!
next question
I would have thought that you could have answered those questions for yourself since you insist that being an atheist is a belief system then you ought to know exactly what God you do not believe in.
That is the whole point!