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accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 7:16 pm Do you seriously think I support the US sticking its big, fat snout in as usual?

No idea until now.

The tedious, 'N was funding Hamas' bullshit. It's called aid. Countries do it all the time. Gaza got billions in aid from all over the place. No one knew that it was using it to build tunnels instead of infrastructure and to line the pockets of Hamas leaders.

He was told a number of times what was happening to the money. And by people on his own staff.

If Israel was so desperate to acquire Gaza then why the fuck did it leave it to govern itself in 2005?

That was Sharon. Well, there were a number of reasons that was good strategy.

1) They only 'left'. They maintained control over electricity going on, water going in, food going in and controlled Palestinian movement.
2) Israeli leaders feared that a permanent occupation of Gaza’s growing Palestinian population (then roughly 1.3 million) would eventually force Israel to choose between being a Jewish state or a democratic one. By 'leaving' Israel removed nearly two million Palestinians from its demographic considerations, helping to maintain a Jewish majority within its borders. They had destroyed the airport and did not allow it to be rebuilt. They restricted fishing to a much smaller area. They also created a buffer zone the Palestinians, not coincidentally, used for agriculture, 40 % of their arable land. They didn't need to occupy to have nearly complete control.
3) They didn't have to spend the extremely large amount of money needed to protect Jewish Settlers there.
4) It removed international pressure. Extremely high control with much less burden.
5) Sharon's senior aide, Dov Weisglass, said that the withdrawal was intended to supply "the amount of formaldehyde necessary" to freeze the peace process. By leaving Gaza, Israel hoped to reduce international pressure for a Palestinian state and justify a stronger, more permanent grip on larger, more strategically valued settlement blocs in the West Bank. -- in other words, it was a strategic move, not a long term giving up of turf.

And claiming that BN 'knew' the attacks were going to happen is conspiracytard bs 101

We know he was warned. We know that soldiers reported what they considered strange orders to stand down routine security measures they do regularly. There have been a number of whistleblowers who reported systemic reductions in security just that day.

Why are people so eager to believe insane garbage that makes no logical sense whatsoever instead of Occam's razor?

Actually Occam's Razor means we don't need to have so many explanations. All the disparate strange reductions can be more parsimoniously explained by a conspiracy. Countries do these things.

So-called 'palestinians' have been slaughtering Israelis for as long as Israel has existed.

Far more Palestinians have been killed in the time since Israel formed.

Imagine how the US would react if Cuba sneaked into the US and slaughtered and tortured to death American children, women and men.

The US doesn't need a single US citizen death to kill thousands of men women and children in other countries. Perhaps we are about to see that happen again. I don't know what moral justification the US's hypothetical reaction to a Cuban incursion lends to Israel's actions. Hamas is fucked up. But they don't come close in the killing of women and children to Israel.

Oh look. An American who has personal inside knowledge of every thought in the head of Israel's leaders and everything they were or were not aware of. You should contact your alien reptile masters and let them know ASAP!
Btw, children killed at the hands of their own people is nothing to do with Israel. You might as well say the Holocaust was nothing because other people were killed in greater numbers. Perhaps you do. You can do anything with numbers. Humans war with each other. I doubt if that's ever going to change. Not all humans commit acts so sick, sadistic and depraved that they sicken people hundreds or even thousands of years later. Vlad the impaler had his own people-- children, women, and men-- impaled on spikes so that his enemies would know how ruthless he was and not dare to attack.
If Gaza chooses to hide its killers and weapons in schools and hospitals, and refuses to allow civilians to leave after being warned by Israel prior to attacks, then that's blood on the hands of Hamas-- NOT Israel.
I don't recall Israel ever blowing up school buses full of children or throwing children off the roofs of school buildings, or beheading babies (the lucky ones), or kidnapping and torturing athletes, or ripping out the internal organs of young men and gleefully holding them up to cameras.......''Palestinians'' have been doing these kind of atrocities over and over again to Israelis, while Israel is expected to just sit on its hands and take it.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 8:44 pm Oh look. An American who has personal inside knowledge of every thought in the head of Israel's leaders and everything they were or were not aware of. You should contact your alien reptile masters and let them know ASAP!

Good argument!

Btw, children killed at the hands of their own people is nothing to do with Israel. You might as well say the Holocaust was nothing because other people were killed in greater numbers. Perhaps you do.

Really good argument! It's clever to invent positions and attack them. Saves responding on topic.

You can do anything with numbers. Humans war with each other. I doubt if that's ever going to change. Not all humans commit acts so sick, sadistic and depraved that they sicken people hundreds or even thousands of years later. Vlad the impaler had his own people-- children, women, and men-- impaled on spikes so that his enemies would know how ruthless he was and not dare to attack.

One can do anything with numbers? Great. That'll put an end to a lot of thinking. Should I say you'll probably say there was no Holocaust cause you have this general opinion? Perhaps you are a Holocaust denier. One can do anything with numbers.

If Gaza chooses to hide its killers and weapons in schools and hospitals, and refuses to allow civilians to leave after being warned by Israel prior to attacks, then that's blood on the hands of Hamas-- NOT Israel.

yeah, that's how most of the children have died.

I don't recall Israel ever blowing up school buses full of children or throwing children off the roofs of school buildings, or beheading babies (the lucky ones), or kidnapping and torturing athletes, or ripping out the internal organs of young men and gleefully holding them up to cameras.......''Palestinians'' have been doing these kind of atrocities over and over again to Israelis, while Israel is expected to just sit on its hands and take it.

Cool, make up more opinions for me. If once questions what is happening, then it means nothing should have been done.

It's good we have your example in a philosophy forum of what philosophy is: binary thinking, insults, mindreading, making up positions for the other person, no effort support your position, avoiding responses to direct points made and criticizing the use of numbers at all - while implying knowledge of numbers at the same time.

If only everyone thought and communicated like you do, the world would be a better....well, actually it would probably look at lot like it does. Keep up the good work. I'll leave you to it. And about 2005, you asked. Not one point made in response to what I said. Nothing. Pathetic. Do a little research. See if I needed any 'knowing the mind of the leaders to know', much of that is public record, including the quote. Oh, jeez, sorry. That was like I was talking to a discussion partner. Yes, yes. I'll leave you in peace.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 9:04 pm
Lots of childish ad homs.

Done and dusted...

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 9:08 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2026 9:04 pm
Lots of childish ad homs.

Done and dusted...

Not ad homs.
That's sweet as, then.