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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:34 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:14 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:02 pm I told you the well known facts of the matter. You replied in the way that your personality disorder requires. I wish you could get better.

I answered in a way that a normal, sane person would.
Here's a 'FAR RIGHT' person explaining it far better than you do. Have a good listen to him. I have no clue what the channel is (before you rush to say it's a 'far right' one). I'm only interested in what THIS MAN has to say on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wP-N3NcZs8

Most of what he says, before it cuts over to the AI voiceover where I stopped listening, is in line with what I've written. His comparison to the paedophilia documentary from the 80s is just self-advertising. Those peados in his doc were uncles and cousins of their victims and aren't relevant here, so all of that I reject as an irrelevance and in no way indicative of some special problem relating to one particular religion.

Otherwise he's mostly telling you what I already told you. I've already said that these gangs rely on cops and social workers looking the other way because the victims are seen as sexually promiscuous and at fault (and truth be told, also as the most unreliable witnesses ever). I told you they operate by setting a pimp up as the underage girl's boyfriend and then passing her around to paying customers.

But you are so blinded by your need for vituperate unpleasantness that you don't even notice when your source is telling you the same thing I told you. You just live for the hate. It must be awful to be trapped inside of you.

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:39 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:34 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 7:14 pm

I answered in a way that a normal, sane person would.
Here's a 'FAR RIGHT' person explaining it far better than you do. Have a good listen to him. I have no clue what the channel is (before you rush to say it's a 'far right' one). I'm only interested in what THIS MAN has to say on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wP-N3NcZs8

Most of what he says, before it cuts over to the AI voiceover where I stopped listening, is in line with what I've written. His comparison to the paedophilia documentary from the 80s is just self-advertising. Those peados in his doc were uncles and cousins of their victims and aren't relevant here, so all of that I reject as an irrelevance and in no way indicative of some special problem relating to one particular religion.

Otherwise he's mostly telling you what I already told you. I've already said that these gangs rely on cops and social workers looking the other way because the victims are seen as sexually promiscuous and at fault (and truth be told, also as the most unreliable witnesses ever). I told you they operate by setting a pimp up as the underage girl's boyfriend and then passing her around to paying customers.

But you are so blinded by your need for vituperate unpleasantness that you don't even notice when your source is telling you the same thing I told you. You just live for the hate. It must be awful to be trapped inside of you.

You talk so much bollocks. His point of view doesn't resemble yours in any way shape or form.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:48 pm
The "grooming gang" was just usual pimps and johns, operating much as they always do. Somebody who ran a fried chicken shop gave free food to young girls who weren't at school when they should have been, and then converted that into paying them attention, and then converted that into becoming some 15 year old girl's 30 year old boyfriend. Then he rented her out to his friends and then his wider customer base. For money. Because he was a pimp. And then they moved the girls around between a wider group of pimps, and they gave them drugs. That's pretty much how it always goes. You can call it grooming gangs if you like, but there's nothing unusual about such networks.

The ones who started young didn't come up with the idea of becoming whores by themselves.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:07 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:03 pm I said she's not smart enough to get it.

On the contrary, I get exactly what you're doing. You're trying to change the question. Just like the government are doing with their so-called inquiry. Instead of talking about rape gangs, you try and talk about other types of abuse and exploitation as well, or instead of, so as to obfuscate the demographic profile of the rape gangs.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:07 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:03 pm I said she's not smart enough to get it.

On the contrary, I get exactly what you're doing. You're trying to change the question. Just like the government are doing with their so-called inquiry. Instead of talking about rape gangs, you try and talk about other types of abuse and exploitation as well, or instead of, so as to obfuscate the demographic profile of the rape gangs.

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The question that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:07 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:03 pm I said she's not smart enough to get it.

On the contrary, I get exactly what you're doing. You're trying to change the question. Just like the government are doing with their so-called inquiry. Instead of talking about rape gangs, you try and talk about other types of abuse and exploitation as well, or instead of, so as to obfuscate the demographic profile of the rape gangs.

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:07 pm

On the contrary, I get exactly what you're doing. You're trying to change the question. Just like the government are doing with their so-called inquiry. Instead of talking about rape gangs, you try and talk about other types of abuse and exploitation as well, or instead of, so as to obfuscate the demographic profile of the rape gangs.

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:02 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

Who told you that Pakistanis are so over represented and how did you check that info?

What I am telling you is that you are a propagandist with an interest in telling everyone that Pakistani gangs are a unique threat. You pursue that end by not noticing all the times other groups do the same stuff. You apply circular reasoning about there not being twelve to fifteen times as many non Pakistani gangs and you make up a nonsensical claim that white gangs are rare in comparison.

Underage kids are lured into this sort of thing all over the country. It happens wherever there is a supply of vulnerable teens. There is always a supply of dirty old men willing to pay for their services, and there are always plenty middlemen who are happy to do the luring. The notion that one particular religion provides all the old dirty bastards and all the pimps is just insane, the idea that all these girls are white defies all reason. You cling to these fictions because you are a racist and you want to blame the problem on race.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:02 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

Who told you that Pakistanis are so over represented and how did you check that info?

What I am telling you is that you are a propagandist with an interest in telling everyone that Pakistani gangs are a unique threat. You pursue that end by not noticing all the times other groups do the same stuff. You apply circular reasoning about there not being twelve to fifteen times as many non Pakistani gangs and you make up a nonsensical claim that white gangs are rare in comparison.

Underage kids are lured into this sort of thing all over the country. It happens wherever there is a supply of vulnerable teens. There is always a supply of dirty old men willing to pay for their services, and there are always plenty middlemen who are happy to do the luring. The notion that one particular religion provides all the old dirty bastards and all the pimps is just insane, the idea that all these girls are white defies all reason. You cling to these fictions because you are a racist and you want to blame the problem on race.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:02 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

Who told you that Pakistanis are so over represented and how did you check that info?

What I am telling you is that you are a propagandist with an interest in telling everyone that Pakistani gangs are a unique threat. You pursue that end by not noticing all the times other groups do the same stuff. You apply circular reasoning about there not being twelve to fifteen times as many non Pakistani gangs and you make up a nonsensical claim that white gangs are rare in comparison.

Underage kids are lured into this sort of thing all over the country. It happens wherever there is a supply of vulnerable teens. There is always a supply of dirty old men willing to pay for their services, and there are always plenty middlemen who are happy to do the luring. The notion that one particular religion provides all the old dirty bastards and all the pimps is just insane, the idea that all these girls are white defies all reason. You cling to these fictions because you are a racist and you want to blame the problem on race.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:48 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 8:38 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2025 6:07 pm

On the contrary, I get exactly what you're doing. You're trying to change the question. Just like the government are doing with their so-called inquiry. Instead of talking about rape gangs, you try and talk about other types of abuse and exploitation as well, or instead of, so as to obfuscate the demographic profile of the rape gangs.

Maia, Flash shows that Pakistani gangs are part of a larger,older problem with prostitution and policing which has been established in British culture well before any Pakistani men arrived on our shores.

The problem that disturbs you is unchanged but is set within a wider context.

He doesn't show it, he just says it, and whatever the case, it doesn't explain why Pakistanis are so grossly over represented. All things being equal, there should be about twelve to fifteen *times* as many white gangs as Pakistani ones, but in fact, white gangs are very rare, in comparison.

Grooming Gangs and Ethnicity: What the Evidence Shows (England & Wales)

National reviews by the Home Office (2020) and the National Audit on Group-Based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse (2024) both find that there is no reliable evidence that grooming gangs are mainly made up of men of Pakistani heritage.

Key findings (2024 National Audit):

Out of 6,670 suspects, ethnicity was recorded for only about one-third.

Among those with known ethnicity:

83 % were White

7 % were Asian (including Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, etc.)

Two-thirds of suspects had no recorded ethnicity, meaning national conclusions must be cautious.

Local investigations in towns such as Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford did find clusters of Pakistani-heritage offenders.
However, taken nationally, most known suspects in group-based child sexual exploitation — and the overwhelming majority of sexual offenders of any kind — are White British men, roughly reflecting the wider population.

The Home Office review concludes that group-based CSE cannot be associated with any single ethnic background.
The main factors are opportunity, misogyny, social vulnerability, and institutional failings, not ethnicity.