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Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:55 am
by Age
Walker wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:41 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:42 am
Osho offered reasoning as to why he wasn't a philosopher.

It's not a cause for shame, Age.

Just thought you might need to offer your reasoning.
(But that's cool. Strong, silent type.)


Dodging and evading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aVsMFDiH1U

:lol:
Look "walker" how 'you' define 'philosopher' is very, very, very different from how 'I' do. So, if you want 'me' to answer and clarify absolutely any thing about a 'philosopher', (which incidentally had absolutely nothing at all to do with what I have said and written, here), then you need to provide you very specific definition of that word, first.

Then, after you have deflected away from the very point, which was you made a claim about what is 'human nature' first, which you obviously could not back up nor support at all, which is why you deflected away to talking about 'philosophers', here, then 'we' can get back to highlighting your inability to prove your claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever.

And, to prove that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever I only have to turn to the readers and posters, here, and ask them, 'Do you yearn to make a so-called 'perfect moment' last forever?'

Now, if not absolutely every one answers, 'Yes', then 'your claim' fails and falters. Is this understood by you?

you may have very, very easily fooled and deceived "gary walker" by your attempt at deflection, here, (which by the way is not a very hard thing to do with 'that one'), but for the rest of 'us' your attempt at deflection and deception did not work at all.

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:56 am
by Age
Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:51 pm
Age wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:45 am
Fairy wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:53 am

Step away from the wack-a-mole machine. 🤷‍♀️

The space between “thought” ⬅️ . ➡️ is where God lives.

😎
There is no actual 'space' between 'thought'.

you human beings 'think', within human bodies there is 'thought'. Whereas, God 'knows', instead.
Sometimes Age, communicating with you is like the ocean communicating with a puddle of water.
Okay, and which one do 'you' believe 'you' are, here?

The ocean or the puddle?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:06 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:47 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 12:46 pm

Age, would you clarify the following; are you also responsible for any of the wars going on right now?
Yes, of course.
OK. fair enough. Then I suppose I must be as well.
Of course ALL adults are the cause of all of the Wrong in 'the world', like wars and pollution for example.

you have, from very early on in our discussions, assumed that I have only been blaming. And, no matter how many times I have suggested that you people seek out clarity, through clarifying questions, before you assume absolutely any thing, you have continuously continued to assume that I was blaming 'you' and not taking any responsibility at all.

Imagine if you years ago had just stopped making your assumptions, and had just asked clarifying questions, back then? 'We' could have already proceeded on with your following questions below, here.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am What should we do about it?
If you want specific answers, then you need to be specific in your questions asked for clarity or resolution.

What is the 'it' word, here, in relation to, exactly?
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am How can we solve our issue of culpability so that we are no longer culpable?
What are you even on about, here?

Adults will always be the reason and cause for absolutely every thing in the human made and created 'world'.

Adult human beings will always be culpable for the 'human created world'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am Or can we?
Or can 'we' what?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:11 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:53 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:48 am
Gary Childress wrote: Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:06 pm

Deflection is indeed an ugly thing, Age. And it is not Walker who is deflecting here. Walker asked you a specific question, and you refused to answer his very straightforward question by deflecting. Why did you do that, Age?
What was the specific question, exactly, which you claimed I have refused to answer?
Walker wrote:You would like to be a philosopher, wouldn’t you?
Look "gary childress" "walker" made the claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever. Now this is blatantly False and Wrong, which is what I was just pointing out and showing. "walker" then started talking about being 'a philosopher' to only deflect and detract from me pointing out and highlighting "walker's" False claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever, in regards to its golf example.

So, any talk about one wanting to be a 'philosopher' was just for deflection and deception sake.

And, this is without even going into the Fact that every human being is born a 'natural philosopher' anyway. But, again, remember how 'I' define words can be very, very different from how 'you' human beings, individually do.

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am
by Gary Childress
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:06 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:47 am

Yes, of course.
OK. fair enough. Then I suppose I must be as well.
Of course ALL adults are the cause of all of the Wrong in 'the world', like wars and pollution for example.

you have, from very early on in our discussions, assumed that I have only been blaming. And, no matter how many times I have suggested that you people seek out clarity, through clarifying questions, before you assume absolutely any thing, you have continuously continued to assume that I was blaming 'you' and not taking any responsibility at all.

Imagine if you years ago had just stopped making your assumptions, and had just asked clarifying questions, back then? 'We' could have already proceeded on with your following questions below, here.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am What should we do about it?
If you want specific answers, then you need to be specific in your questions asked for clarity or resolution.

What is the 'it' word, here, in relation to, exactly?
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am How can we solve our issue of culpability so that we are no longer culpable?
What are you even on about, here?

Adults will always be the reason and cause for absolutely every thing in the human made and created 'world'.

Adult human beings will always be culpable for the 'human created world'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am Or can we?
Or can 'we' what?
Can we avoid responsibility for wars? There are a number of them in the world right now. Are you and I responsible for them?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:23 am
by Gary Childress
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:11 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:53 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:48 am

What was the specific question, exactly, which you claimed I have refused to answer?
Walker wrote:You would like to be a philosopher, wouldn’t you?
Look "gary childress" "walker" made the claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever. Now this is blatantly False and Wrong, which is what I was just pointing out and showing. "walker" then started talking about being 'a philosopher' to only deflect and detract from me pointing out and highlighting "walker's" False claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever, in regards to its golf example.

So, any talk about one wanting to be a 'philosopher' was just for deflection and deception sake.

And, this is without even going into the Fact that every human being is born a 'natural philosopher' anyway. But, again, remember how 'I' define words can be very, very different from how 'you' human beings, individually do.
Thank you for clarifying.

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:39 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:06 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am

OK. fair enough. Then I suppose I must be as well.
Of course ALL adults are the cause of all of the Wrong in 'the world', like wars and pollution for example.

you have, from very early on in our discussions, assumed that I have only been blaming. And, no matter how many times I have suggested that you people seek out clarity, through clarifying questions, before you assume absolutely any thing, you have continuously continued to assume that I was blaming 'you' and not taking any responsibility at all.

Imagine if you years ago had just stopped making your assumptions, and had just asked clarifying questions, back then? 'We' could have already proceeded on with your following questions below, here.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am What should we do about it?
If you want specific answers, then you need to be specific in your questions asked for clarity or resolution.

What is the 'it' word, here, in relation to, exactly?
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am How can we solve our issue of culpability so that we are no longer culpable?
What are you even on about, here?

Adults will always be the reason and cause for absolutely every thing in the human made and created 'world'.

Adult human beings will always be culpable for the 'human created world'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am Or can we?
Or can 'we' what?
Can we avoid responsibility for wars?
Yes, through lying, deception, and dishonesty.

However, when people are Truly open and Honest, then there is absolutely no way at all in avoiding 'the responsibility' that all adults have in 'the way' 'the human created world' is.

Now, not until one 'accepts responsibility', first, can one then 'take responsibility', and it is only when people 'take responsibility' can things then change for the better.

Why would absolutely any one even want to 'avoid responsibility'?

The answer/s by the way are easy and simple, and when they are known, and expressed, then you can and will see why your persistence in 'avoiding responsibility', here, was continual.

The ONLY ones who are responsible for things like wars, pollution, corruption, stress, and greed, for example, are adult human beings. There is absolutely no one else who could be blamed nor responsible for these things. So, if absolutely any one would like to live in a Truly peaceful, pollution, corruption, and stress free world in harmony with everyone else, then just first 'accept' responsibility, which just means being open and honest about it is only 'us' adult human beings, only, who have created 'this world', in which 'we' all live in, and then just 'take' responsibility' by just doing what is needed in order to just 'make change', for the better.

All of this will become fully understood, and just naturally happen and occur and just naturally take place 'over time', but for 'now' it has been and will be a 'slow start'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am There are a number of them in the world right now.
Yes there are a number of wars in 'the world', 'right now', in the days when this is being written, but there have been a number of wars, 'right now', in the last few centuries or so directly previous to 'the days' when this is being written, as well.

you are just worried and paranoid about 'the wars', 'right now' in relation 'to you', because 'you' are living in and amongst 'these wars', and you are more fearful because 'these wars' appear to be getting bigger and may well move 'closer', 'to you'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am Are you and I responsible for them?
As adult human beings, 'Yes, of course'.

Who else could be responsible for wars?

Children?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:40 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:23 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:11 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:53 am

Look "gary childress" "walker" made the claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever. Now this is blatantly False and Wrong, which is what I was just pointing out and showing. "walker" then started talking about being 'a philosopher' to only deflect and detract from me pointing out and highlighting "walker's" False claim that 'human nature' yearns to make a perfect moment last forever, in regards to its golf example.

So, any talk about one wanting to be a 'philosopher' was just for deflection and deception sake.

And, this is without even going into the Fact that every human being is born a 'natural philosopher' anyway. But, again, remember how 'I' define words can be very, very different from how 'you' human beings, individually do.
Thank you for clarifying.
Thank you for clarifying what was the 'specific question', so that I could then clarify, specifically.

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:45 am
by Gary Childress
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:39 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:06 am

Of course ALL adults are the cause of all of the Wrong in 'the world', like wars and pollution for example.

you have, from very early on in our discussions, assumed that I have only been blaming. And, no matter how many times I have suggested that you people seek out clarity, through clarifying questions, before you assume absolutely any thing, you have continuously continued to assume that I was blaming 'you' and not taking any responsibility at all.

Imagine if you years ago had just stopped making your assumptions, and had just asked clarifying questions, back then? 'We' could have already proceeded on with your following questions below, here.



If you want specific answers, then you need to be specific in your questions asked for clarity or resolution.

What is the 'it' word, here, in relation to, exactly?


What are you even on about, here?

Adults will always be the reason and cause for absolutely every thing in the human made and created 'world'.

Adult human beings will always be culpable for the 'human created world'.



Or can 'we' what?
Can we avoid responsibility for wars?
Yes, through lying, deception, and dishonesty.

However, when people are Truly open and Honest, then there is absolutely no way at all in avoiding 'the responsibility' that all adults have in 'the way' 'the human created world' is.

Now, not until one 'accepts responsibility', first, can one then 'take responsibility', and it is only when people 'take responsibility' can things then change for the better.

Why would absolutely any one even want to 'avoid responsibility'?

The answer/s by the way are easy and simple, and when they are known, and expressed, then you can and will see why your persistence in 'avoiding responsibility', here, was continual.

The ONLY ones who are responsible for things like wars, pollution, corruption, stress, and greed, for example, are adult human beings. There is absolutely no one else who could be blamed nor responsible for these things. So, if absolutely any one would like to live in a Truly peaceful, pollution, corruption, and stress free world in harmony with everyone else, then just first 'accept' responsibility, which just means being open and honest about it is only 'us' adult human beings, only, who have created 'this world', in which 'we' all live in, and then just 'take' responsibility' by just doing what is needed in order to just 'make change', for the better.

All of this will become fully understood, and just naturally happen and occur and just naturally take place 'over time', but for 'now' it has been and will be a 'slow start'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am There are a number of them in the world right now.
Yes there are a number of wars in 'the world', 'right now', in the days when this is being written, but there have been a number of wars, 'right now', in the last few centuries or so directly previous to 'the days' when this is being written, as well.

you are just worried and paranoid about 'the wars', 'right now' in relation 'to you', because 'you' are living in and amongst 'these wars', and you are more fearful because 'these wars' appear to be getting bigger and may well move 'closer', 'to you'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am Are you and I responsible for them?
As adult human beings, 'Yes, of course'.

Who else could be responsible for wars?

Children?
Can you and I stop those wars that are happening now?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:47 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:45 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:39 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am

Can we avoid responsibility for wars?
Yes, through lying, deception, and dishonesty.

However, when people are Truly open and Honest, then there is absolutely no way at all in avoiding 'the responsibility' that all adults have in 'the way' 'the human created world' is.

Now, not until one 'accepts responsibility', first, can one then 'take responsibility', and it is only when people 'take responsibility' can things then change for the better.

Why would absolutely any one even want to 'avoid responsibility'?

The answer/s by the way are easy and simple, and when they are known, and expressed, then you can and will see why your persistence in 'avoiding responsibility', here, was continual.

The ONLY ones who are responsible for things like wars, pollution, corruption, stress, and greed, for example, are adult human beings. There is absolutely no one else who could be blamed nor responsible for these things. So, if absolutely any one would like to live in a Truly peaceful, pollution, corruption, and stress free world in harmony with everyone else, then just first 'accept' responsibility, which just means being open and honest about it is only 'us' adult human beings, only, who have created 'this world', in which 'we' all live in, and then just 'take' responsibility' by just doing what is needed in order to just 'make change', for the better.

All of this will become fully understood, and just naturally happen and occur and just naturally take place 'over time', but for 'now' it has been and will be a 'slow start'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am There are a number of them in the world right now.
Yes there are a number of wars in 'the world', 'right now', in the days when this is being written, but there have been a number of wars, 'right now', in the last few centuries or so directly previous to 'the days' when this is being written, as well.

you are just worried and paranoid about 'the wars', 'right now' in relation 'to you', because 'you' are living in and amongst 'these wars', and you are more fearful because 'these wars' appear to be getting bigger and may well move 'closer', 'to you'.
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am Are you and I responsible for them?
As adult human beings, 'Yes, of course'.

Who else could be responsible for wars?

Children?
Can you and I stop those wars that are happening now?
YES.

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:54 am
by Gary Childress
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:47 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:45 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:39 am

Yes, through lying, deception, and dishonesty.

However, when people are Truly open and Honest, then there is absolutely no way at all in avoiding 'the responsibility' that all adults have in 'the way' 'the human created world' is.

Now, not until one 'accepts responsibility', first, can one then 'take responsibility', and it is only when people 'take responsibility' can things then change for the better.

Why would absolutely any one even want to 'avoid responsibility'?

The answer/s by the way are easy and simple, and when they are known, and expressed, then you can and will see why your persistence in 'avoiding responsibility', here, was continual.

The ONLY ones who are responsible for things like wars, pollution, corruption, stress, and greed, for example, are adult human beings. There is absolutely no one else who could be blamed nor responsible for these things. So, if absolutely any one would like to live in a Truly peaceful, pollution, corruption, and stress free world in harmony with everyone else, then just first 'accept' responsibility, which just means being open and honest about it is only 'us' adult human beings, only, who have created 'this world', in which 'we' all live in, and then just 'take' responsibility' by just doing what is needed in order to just 'make change', for the better.

All of this will become fully understood, and just naturally happen and occur and just naturally take place 'over time', but for 'now' it has been and will be a 'slow start'.



Yes there are a number of wars in 'the world', 'right now', in the days when this is being written, but there have been a number of wars, 'right now', in the last few centuries or so directly previous to 'the days' when this is being written, as well.

you are just worried and paranoid about 'the wars', 'right now' in relation 'to you', because 'you' are living in and amongst 'these wars', and you are more fearful because 'these wars' appear to be getting bigger and may well move 'closer', 'to you'.


As adult human beings, 'Yes, of course'.

Who else could be responsible for wars?

Children?
Can you and I stop those wars that are happening now?
YES.
How do we do that?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:57 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:54 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:47 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:45 am

Can you and I stop those wars that are happening now?
YES.
How do we do that?
Firstly, do you believe we could?

Secondly, are you prepared to have an open and honest, maybe fairly lengthy, discussion?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:00 am
by Gary Childress
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:57 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:54 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:47 am

YES.
How do we do that?
Firstly, do you believe we could?

Secondly, are you prepared to have an open and honest, maybe fairly lengthy, discussion?
OK. If we can indeed stop the wars, then it's worth discussing further.

How can we stop those wars?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:19 am
by Age
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:00 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:57 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:54 am

How do we do that?
Firstly, do you believe we could?

Secondly, are you prepared to have an open and honest, maybe fairly lengthy, discussion?
OK. If we can indeed stop the wars, then it's worth discussing further.

How can we stop those wars?
you seem to be concentrating on 'those wars' only. Why is this, exactly? Is it because 'those wars' could effect 'you', directly?

Why do you not want to stop and prevent 'every war', exactly?

Re: Dear God:

Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:26 am
by Gary Childress
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:19 am
Gary Childress wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:00 am
Age wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:57 am

Firstly, do you believe we could?

Secondly, are you prepared to have an open and honest, maybe fairly lengthy, discussion?
OK. If we can indeed stop the wars, then it's worth discussing further.

How can we stop those wars?
you seem to be concentrating on 'those wars' only. Why is this, exactly? Is it because 'those wars' could effect 'you', directly?

Why do you not want to stop and prevent 'every war', exactly?
Current wars take precedent over past ones, don't they? Presumably, the same way we stop those wars will also stop and prevent every war? Is that not correct?